F3A Definitions

[george kennie]

Here I go!  Maybe it's just semantics. I think that point rolls should
maybe be thought of as "hesitation rolls" which contrasts defineably
with "continuous rolls". A 1/2 roll would therefore be a continuous
roll, but 2/2 would be a hesitation roll.  Combinations could get a
little sticky. Hesitation and continuous could exhibit the same rolling
element "speed" without presenting the same roll rate.That is, the
rolling speed of each element may be equal between the two maneuvers,
but the hesitation maneuver may consume a greater duration based upon
the length of the hesitation thereby causing the roll rate to be
greater.

If the 1/2 roll on exit is defined as part of the maneuver then the 1/2
roll must be considered as a contiguous element of the overall maneuver
and the maneuver as a whole must be centered thereby causing the spin to
be executed prior to center equidistant from the completion of the roll.

Boy, we better be careful. Troy is going to come blasting in here any
minute and give us a tongue lashing. Too much detail!, too much detail!!

I still feel that you can not judge accurately without a clear
understanding of the details, which applies equally to me.
Georgie

EHaury at aol.com wrote:

>  A couple of interesting points from the current F3A rules. In
> "Description of Manoeuvres" (5A.1.13) it states: "Where there is a
> combination of continuous rolls and point rolls within a manoeuvre,
> the roll rate for the point rolls does not necessarily have to be the
> same as the roll rate for the continuous rolls." Seems straight
> forward for a maneuver like "4 of 8, slow roll opposite." But then,
> what's the definition of "continuous roll"? Is a half roll a
> continuous roll, or a point roll (as in 2 of 2 for example)? In the
> first case, in the sq. loop with 1/2 rolls & 2 of 4 rolls, each roll
> type could be different rates. In the second, they would seem to all
> need to be the same, or would they? Also, there are several center
> maneuvers, (P-05.22, F-05..18 for example) where there is a half roll
> on the exit. The maneuver descriptions state: "Exit half roll is part
> of the manoeuvre."This raises a center question, P-05.22 is the 2 turn
> opposite inverted spin with a half roll exit. It appears, basis the
> judging note including the roll exit, that the center is midpoint
> between the stall and the end of the exit roll. (AMA defines the stall
> as center of the spin - no such language in FAI.) Thoughts? Earl

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