Artistic Aerobatics suggestions

Mon Jan 26 05:21:43 AKST 2004

Second that. How does third party or spectator approval improve the sport of pattern. The only thing I can think of is, if more people see it then there is a possibility that more will try it and some of those who try it will love it. That being said, anyone that will fall for it the way we have will find the appeal in it the way it is. It has been said on the list many times that patten is not for everyone. The best we can do is be ambassadors for our sport at our local flying fields. Answer questions and be approachable and the rest will take care of itself.

Nat Penton <natpenton at centurytel.net> wrote:I think we should forget about spectators. There are a sizable number of
people who go to Oshkosh and don't watch the airshow, or watch only one or
two acts.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Atwood, Mark" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:02 AM
Subject: RE: Artistic Aerobatics suggestions

I've advocated for a LONG time that it would be a hoot to SEE each judges
score AS he scored the flight. BIG LCD display on the back of the chair.

Think of the fun..the cat calls...the throwing of glasses to the blind
judge. LOL.

Serously though..it would make it more fun and maybe help spectators
understand what's happening.

Of course the cheers and boos might be distracting..lol

-M

-----Original Message-----
From: Lance Van Nostrand [mailto:patterndude at comcast.net]
Sent: Sat 1/24/2004 11:52 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
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Subject: Re: Artistic Aerobatics suggestions

If it wasn't for the announcers building up each golf shot and describing
what's at stake and recognizing beauty or exaggerating the problems of
hitting a ball inthe rough, watching golf would be far more boring.
When you are at a golf event as spectator, you can stand in one place and
watch each player approach you and you can observe their travails.
I think we need in pattern to connect to spectators more. Not to ignore
their presence. We could also use some commentary on what is happening so
the observer can develop "favorites" and root for something.
In scale and large jet events, there is a line up of planes and pilots
and the public can examine them and talk to the pilots. We could have a
corner where we place an announcer and some observation seats where one of
us describes what is going on, what place the current flier is in, what
mistakes are seen, etc. Just like golf - to make it interesting to watch.

Thoughts?
--Lance

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Pennisi" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 6:27 PM
Subject: RE: Artistic Aerobatics

Look at the following Golf has. I enjoy my game of golf occasionally but I
can't think of anything more boring to watch unless I am playing. Pattern is
the same, unless you're involved in some capacity it is boring to watch. Why
is golf so popular? - not sure, maybe because it is easy to understand and
the top players in the world have become household names, draws a lot of
corporate interest etc.

Pattern will never reach those heights. As long as you enjoy the hobby for
yourself that is the main thing. If only we could draw an international
celebrity into flying pattern the public may start to take a little
interest.

Pattern to the uninitiated is far too complex to understand. It is too
precise and specialised to become a public domain interest. How will a
spectator ever understand why Joe Bloggs only received a 4 instead of a 6
for a 4 point roll?

AAA at a pattern comp would be fun. The only reason why I would do it is for
me. If the general public find it interesting to watch - that would be an
added bonus.

PP

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From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Rcmaster199 at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, 24 January 2004 9:07 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: Artistic Aerobatics

Eric,
Unless we are judging and have to watch the flights (or at least should
watch the flights), we often don't look at the other pattern flying much. At
least that's been my experience in nearly twenty five years of competitive
pattern flying.

It seems about the only time we carefully observe or even scrutinize a
flight when we are NOT sitting in the JC, is when the fellow just above us
in the standings is flying or when a name flier is flying. But even then, we
seldom actually observe a complete flight

Is Pattern boring to watch ? Yeah, probably, to the uninitiated observer it
probably is. If anyone of the Pattern people performed a perfect Cuban say,
the observer could just as soon yawn. I doubt the observer would fall asleep
if a plane was coming down to touch the rudder under full control, making
all that racket, at the far edge of the runway. Lets be brutally blunt about
danger appealing to many.

Are "they" having more fun? Sometimes I think they do, especially when we
are having a problem with that alky burning, glow plug blowing, bearing
chewing cantakerous bunch of metal parts. We get upset when our trim doesn't
hold. They just fly or hover or whatever. We get right down anal about noise
reduction and distance out and weight and 2x2 meters and "they" don't!!!

I did the IMAC thing for a short while but came back. The plane flew well
enough even though it was a 10 lb overweight ARF(kinda reminded me of me
actually). It was just too damned big and heavy and a real pain to haul
around. Not my idea of "FUN"

BUT, I still love Pattern and all its self induced variables. That's my
bottom line. It's irrational to feel this way but I just do. I guess it
appeals to my desire for geometric precision and to the discipline it takes
to strive for perfection.

IMHO

regards

Matt K

Subj:Artistic Aerobatics
Date:1/23/2004 10:07:44 AM Eastern Standard Time
From:Eric.Henderson at gartner.com
Reply-to:discussion at nsrca.org
To:discussion at nsrca.org
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As some of you may know I ran an FAI-FG1 event a couple of years ago at the
Nat's after the finals. Quique, Troy and Chad Northeast put on a really
great show for us while we waited for the Masters and FAI results.

I have not heard much about this event type since then. I was wondering if
the FAI adopted it or not.

Flying a pattern type plane to music is very attractive. It is one of the
few times where the plane does not drown-out the music! More correctly said,
the planes have to comply with size weight and sound FAI regulations. They
do not actually have to be what we fly in a pattern contest. Some guys use
the same planes and swap-in 3-D wings and stabs. They often change their
props.

It is, of course, the rest-of-the-world's version of IMAC freestyle.

I have written, not without a shot or two across my bows, that the
delineator between precision aerobatics and scale aerobatics is that pattern
is based on practicing the routine, a lot!
I see IMAC pilots practicing tailslides and Harriers and torque rolls, but
rarely the routines they fly. In particular, wannabe IMAC pilots fly the
hover stuff for most of their flights. Once in a while I "push my luck" and
I ask them why they practice most, the thing that they will do least, in a
contest. (Maybe once in a freestyle routine at the end of an event).

The answer always is, "Because I want to get better at it and it is fun".
Are they having more fun than us? I know that watching a loud plane hover
over the runway is fun for a while but it gets old pretty quick and even
becomes annoying. A bit like when we played our 45's on repeat. We coul
listen to the same song, that we had just purchased, but our allegedly
tone-deaf fathers were soon motivated to become "discus" throwers!!!!

The question is still out there however, "Are we boring?" and "Do we,
(pattern pilots), need be more watchable"???

Regards, it is still winter - Eric.

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