Intermediate Class

[Terry Brox]

I can remember at 4 contests I attended, the 3 rolls in intermediate nearly cleared the judges chairs, definately made them flinch. It is not a hard manuever to master if, as has been stated, common sense is used while learning it. The powers to be that took it out were FAI and Masters, or retired from pattern pilots. I too have never talked to an intermediate pilot that didnt want it. At last years contest and again at this years contest that I am the CD, I will give the Intermediate pilots the option to fly the new proposed schedule. 
Thanks for keeping our eyes open though. It is good to see other peoples opinions. 
I'm off to bed, Have a great day, Terry
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Keith Black 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 2:18 AM
  Subject: Re: Intermediate Class


  I'd have to agree. I wish the 45 deg. snap was in Intermediate now, but I can understand your concern Alan. 

  Keep in mind that the maneuver immediately before the snap is an immelmann and you can drive it as high as you need to feel comfortable. If the snap scares you just begin doing it really high until you feel comfortable with it. After doing it a few times I think you'll find that it really isn't that risky (if done at a reasonable altitude). 

  I feel like it would be much better to have this snap in Intermediate to help prepare for Advanced that has both an inverted 45 deg down snap and an Avalanche.

  Just my 2 cents,
  Keith Black
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Joe Dunnaway 
    To: discussion at nsrca.org 
    Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 12:59 AM
    Subject: Re: Intermediate Class


    Hi Alan,
      I've been flying Intermediate for the past 2 years and started practicing the 45º down positive snap before the "Powers that Be" decided I wasn't qualified enough to perform that maneuver.  I've talked to several other Intermediate Class fliers and asked them their opinion.  I have yet to find anyone that didn't want to fly it.  The 45º down snap  is not hard to learn.... Just start with a shallow dive and work into it.   

    Joe Dunnaway

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Alan Hewson 
      To: discussion at nsrca.org 
      Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 11:16 PM
      Subject: Re: Intermediate Class


      Is this for real?.......putting a 45ºdown positive snap into Intermediate????
      Has anyone asked a Sportsman pilot lately to point his plane downward at a 45º down attitude, fly a straight line, DO A SNAP, fly more of a straight line, and then pull to level flight?
      IMHO, if you are putting that maneuver in Intermediate, you will be scaring off many potential Intermediate flyers. I can only speak for myself, but, when I was at that level, you could not have even paid me to do that. I had trouble staying on the proper line doing a sequence of "Immelman....Outside loop....Split S" (which was in the sequence at that time).
      I know that your decision on this does not affect what I will be flying, BUT,  it is something I believe in passionately. I have been a member of the Canadian Precision Aerobatics Committee for a few years and this type of scenario keeps coming up. I think that most of us making decisions on these matters have NOT flown in Intermediate for several years and we have forgotten what it was like to step up to that level.
      PLEASE, go out, yourselves, and talk to Sportsman flyers about this......Maybe even see if they will try to fly the proposed sequence (or just this maneuver).

      Thanks to the supporters of this list for creating a media where someone (like me) can send out an opinion (like I just did) and none of you will be seeing me until next summer when you will have forgotten all about this ( I hope).......RUNNING FOR SHELTER.

      Alan Hewson
      Thornton, Ontario, Canada

       
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Bill Glaze 
        To: discussion at nsrca.org 
        Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 11:57 PM
        Subject: Re: Intermediate Class


        As I understand it, this proposal is to reinstate 2 figures that were dropped from the original proposal.  I hope it passes the Board.  BTW: Anybody know when the vote is to be?  I'm having one of  Ron's senior Moments<G>  Bill Glaze

        imarcnut at sbcglobal.net wrote:

          Last year I heard a rumor that the Intermediate class would be adding 2 more maneuvers at the end of the program this up coming year.  The immelman turn followed by a 45 deg down line with a positive snap on center.

          Is there any truth to this?


          Gary "imarcnut" Russell
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