Artistic Aerobatics

[jim ivey]

Hey Troy, We just renamed you.

TROY NECKERMAN     Get it? That' western slang for Red Neck.

Go for it

Jim Ivey



jivey61 at msn.com





>From: "Troy Newman" <troy_newman at msn.com>
>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: Artistic Aerobatics
>Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:40:21 -0700
>
>Eric,
>
>I would love to fly some more Artistic Aerobatics stuff in competition. I 
>actually have a dedicated AA model now. I'm not the torque roll around my 
>ankles kind of guy but I can do some cool stuff.
>
>
>I heard a comment about the last TOC....Quique's freestyle was in my 
>opinion the absolute best I have seen. The Comment was Quique gave us Swan 
>Lake, but the crowd wanted monster trucks.
>
>This is where I see the differences in the big models and Pattern style 
>models. After being in South for a while I think I have a little Red Neck 
>in me now and I can use a little monster truck action once in a while...but 
>I view the technology and the pattern type models as the Indy Car or the 
>F-1 setups.
>
>
>Everybody seems to think that you need to do 3D to fly Artistic stuff. You 
>don't need to as Chad and I tried to show.
>
>I'm up for some AA anytime and anyplace.
>
>Troy
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Henderson,Eric
>   To: discussion at nsrca.org
>   Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 11:22 AM
>   Subject: RE: Artistic Aerobatics
>
>
>   Bill,
>           It's not fair to say the vote was ignored.The vote occurred just 
>before the change-cycle for the AMA closed. there was absolutely no way to 
>propose complete schedule and ascending schedule changes in the time 
>available.
>
>   The lead time to make new schedules took over a year the last time we 
>did them. A sub-committee, split into two teams, and did approx.. four 
>schedules for each class. They were tested and tested, and then voted on at 
>sub-committee level. the winners were narrowed down and voted on at the 
>NSRCA board level and finally sent out in the NSRCA survey as structured 
>groups of schedule options for the NSRCA membership to vote on. ( We all 
>got the same stipend for all of the work!)
>
>   The next window when the voted-on-change-all-schedules-change can be 
>proposed to the AMA is in two years time. The Annex proposal, if it passes, 
>should help us a lot in this process. But if we want to design what we fly, 
>it almost behooves us to start designing now. Tony understand this stuff. 
>He had the vision and was the one that commissioned the original 
>sub-committees long before I got the job of finishing them.
>
>   Regards,
>
>   Eric.
>
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
>[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Bill Glaze
>   Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 1:25 PM
>   To: discussion at nsrca.org
>   Subject: Re: Artistic Aerobatics
>
>
>   Interesting, that this subject should come up.
>   I feel that a big factor,  would be the very thing that is under our 
>noses.  (admittedly, some few will object to the idea)
>   Change the flight sequences at least every 3 years, as the questionnaire 
>said.  Said questionnaire was ignored in this particular, in the last rules 
>cycle for all but (significantly) Masters.  And, of course, FAI.
>   It would help in the boredom category.  IMHO, it would help much more 
>than looking at pattern airplanes flop all over the sky.  But then, who am 
>I?  I haven't even done a great job of what we're flying now.<G>
>   In any event, Eric, I sure appreciate that you're so active in the idea 
>dept.
>
>   Bill Glaze
>   NSRCA 2388
>   AMA 2221
>   IMAC 1624
>   N7WWS
>
>   Henderson,Eric wrote:
>
>     As some of you may know I ran an FAI-FG1 event a couple of years ago 
>at the Nat's after the finals. Quique, Troy and Chad Northeast put on a 
>really great show for us while we waited for the Masters and FAI results.
>
>     I have not heard much about this event type since then. I was 
>wondering if the FAI adopted it or not.
>
>     Flying a pattern type plane to music is very attractive. It is one of 
>the few times where the plane does not drown-out the music! More correctly 
>said, the planes have to comply with size weight and sound FAI regulations. 
>They do not actually have to be what we fly in a pattern contest. Some guys 
>use the same planes and swap-in 3-D wings and stabs. They often change 
>their props.
>
>     It is, of course, the rest-of-the-world's version of IMAC freestyle.
>
>     I have written, not without a shot or two across my bows, that the 
>delineator between precision aerobatics and scale aerobatics is that 
>pattern is based on practicing the routine, a lot!
>     I see IMAC pilots practicing tailslides and Harriers and torque rolls, 
>but rarely the routines they fly. In particular, wannabe IMAC pilots fly 
>the hover stuff for most of their flights. Once in a while I "push my luck" 
>and I ask them why they practice most, the thing that they will do least, 
>in a contest. (Maybe once in a freestyle routine at the end of an event).
>
>     The answer always is, "Because I want to get better at it and it is 
>fun".  Are they having more fun than us? I know that watching a loud plane 
>hover over the runway is fun for a while but it gets old pretty quick and 
>even becomes annoying. A bit like when we played our 45's on repeat. We 
>coul listen to the same song, that we had just purchased, but our allegedly 
>tone-deaf fathers were soon motivated to become "discus" throwers!!!!
>
>     The question is still out there however, "Are we boring?" and "Do we, 
>(pattern pilots), need be more watchable"???
>
>     Regards, it is still winter - Eric.

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