Simple wing retention

Sat Jan 17 04:08:08 AKST 2004

When I had a plane with retracts and a plug in wing, I made it a point to
never extend the gear until the retainers were in place.  With today's
fixed gear, I have gone to a one piece wing. Hard to forget the four
bolts in the bottom of the wing before attaching the belly pan!

Terry T.

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:27:59 -0600 "Wayne Galligan"
<wgalligan at goodsonacura.com> writes:
> Don't tell Dave that...  he will get a real complex and then think I 
> am
> threatening him by moving into his class.  heh! heh!
> 
> I need to rename this Aries the "Phoenix."
> 
> WG
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Keith Black" <tkeithb at comcast.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 4:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Simple wing retention
> 
> 
> > Wayne, sounds like it must be Dolzine's fault!
> >
> > Since you're flying advanced this year, I'm not sure the plane 
> gods will
> be
> > so understanding with the reverse snaps.
> >
> > Keith Black
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Dave Dolzine" <Dave.Dolzine at dalsemi.com>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 3:49 PM
> > Subject: RE: Simple wing retention
> >
> >
> > > Wayne, it must be all that good livin' you are doing.  I believe 
> I have
> > been
> > > with you at least 3 of the 4 time and witness this.  The first 
> one was
> > "man,
> > > I just got away with one", the second was, "I can't believe I 
> did this
> > > again", the third was "you ain't going to believe this", after 
> the
> fourth
> > > time I concluded that the plane gods still believe that Aries is 
> dead
> and
> > > fail to recognize that you brought it back to life after Hot 
> Springs the
> > > year before (when they were not as merciful).
> > >
> > > -DD
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> > > [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Wayne Galligan
> > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 3:09 PM
> > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > Subject: Re: Simple wing retention
> > >
> > >
> > > This thread stirs me....   This is a hard one to admit but last 
> year
> alone
> > I
> > > forgot to put the Jesus bolt in my Aries 4 times and it survived 
> (4 free
> > > airplanes in a year has got to be a record).  Thank goodness I 
> wasn't
> > doing
> > > a gazillion snaps.  My newest ship is done exactly as Eric 
> described but
> > > with one extra.  I put a red triangle shaped warning sticker 
> over the
> > > J-bolt.  I talk to no-one while I setup my plane now.
> > >
> > > WG
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Henderson,Eric" <Eric.Henderson at gartner.com>
> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:30 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Simple wing retention
> > >
> > >
> > > I copied Chip's method of one 4-40 on the top and one on the 
> bottom. You
> > > leave the bottom one in all of the time. With fixed gear you 
> almost
> always
> > > put the wings on with the plane sitting on the ground. In the 
> event of
> an
> > > "inverted" wing removal you have the option to remove the lower 
> bolt
> > > instead.
> > >
> > > In bigger planes, and also seen on a Pappas creation, I use 1/4 
> x 20
> nylon
> > > screws into the wing tube.
> > >
> > > Lamar Blair and Jerry Stebbins sell a very nice nylon insert 
> that grabs
> > the
> > > 4-40 very well indeed. A very neat homemade option is to use 
> plastic
> water
> > > pipe. One that has too big a diameter. What you do is cut off a 
> 1/2"
> wide
> > > piece. Then cut out enough of the "ring" so that it can be 
> compressed
> and
> > > pushed into the wing tube. A touch of CA and you have a section 
> that can
> > be
> > > threaded and will "grab" your $4000 screw.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Eric.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> > > [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Dean Pappas
> > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:50 AM
> > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > Subject: RE: Simple wing hold down
> > >
> > >
> > > Yo, Anthony ...
> > > That idea makes so much sense, that it hurts!
> > > As the old addage goes, "If you can't hide it, scream it".
> > > Put some sort of trim around it: make it look like a gas-cap,
> > > after all, it's in about the right spot.
> > > Regards,
> > > Dean P.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Anthony Romano [mailto:anthonyr105 at hotmail.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:28 AM
> > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > Subject: Simple wing hold down
> > >
> > >
> > > The last four planes have all relied on the $4000 bolt. The 
> latest has a
> > > great innovation. The bolts are on the top of the wing. I always
> > complained
> > > it is aesthetically unpleasing but pretty simple. Leave the tube 
> in one
> > > panel and the plane comes out of the car to have the wings 
> installed
> > > immediately. Plane gets carried in one piece to pits to be 
> fuelled. One
> > bolt
> > > and I am ready to go fly. If I get nervous and need to check it 
> is right
> > > there in plain sight. Very quick when it rains too!
> > >
> > > Anthony
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Rodney Tanner <rodney19821982 at yahoo.com>
> > > >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > >Subject: Re: Wing hold down - Failsafes
> > > >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:13:54 -0800 (PST)
> > > >
> > > >I wondered when someone would mention those old friends. . . .
> > > >I  have used good ol hooks and rubber bands on my last three 
> pattern
> > planes
> > > >and for the Tem-Poon (Typhoon fuz, Temptation wings and stab) 
> that will
> > be
> > > >ready in a few weeks. Dennis Hunt put me onto them, with the 
> Extra and
> > > >Viper projects he did. As Bill says, its simple and idiot proof 
> (till
> > now)
> > > >and does´nt create any unwanted stress points.  Some people 
> stay away
> > from
> > > >them because the rubber bands cross in front of the wing tube, 
> where
> the
> > > >tank sits. Sooooo put them under the tank then!
> > > >Rodney
> > > >NSRCA # 2906
> > > >
> > > >Sneedb at aol.com wrote:
> > > >I've been using the old hooks and rubber bands method to hold 
> the wings
> > on
> > > >for years.  When I remove the bands from the hooks I 
> immediately wrap
> the
> > > >bands around the prop and spinner and leave them there.  When 
> you go
> out
> > > >for your next flying sesson you're not going to start the 
> engine with
> > > >rubber bands wrapped around your prop and spinner.  Not fool 
> proof but
> > > >pretty close    Bill
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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