Sitting in the plane or not ?

[Keith Black]

That's a very interesting way to look at it.

Keith Black
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Xavier Mouraux 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 6:09 PM
  Subject: Re: Sitting in the plane or not ?


  This is an interesting discussion. I am glad I asked.

  Playing on the simulator 2 years ago, I found a trick that works in any direction for the rudder in inverted flight.

  I imagine the tip of the rudder stick is attached to the end of the plane closest to me. That could be the tail, the nose or a wing tip. If I want to move that part of the plane one way or the other, I just move the stick that way.

  It worked for me and after a while, I didn't have to think about it anymore, it became automatic (most of the time :-)

  Xavier

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Keith Black 
    To: discussion at nsrca.org 
    Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 6:43 PM
    Subject: Re: Sitting in the plane or not ?


    Your assumption is correct. 

    Think of it as pushing a shopping cart around backwards. Since the front wheels turn and the back ones don't when you're pushing it backwards you have to move the front opposite of the direction you wish to turn (the analogy's not mine by the way). This is the same method you use to steer the plane when inverted and it's flying away. This also works great with the vertical uplines with the belly facing you. If the plane is at the left end of the box going straight up and the belly is facing you to move it "in" you push the tail "out" which means right stick. 

    The part of the rule that I don't use is "pushing" the nose when it's coming towards me inverted. In other words, if the plane is at the right end of the box flying inverted toward center and you wish to move the plane in you should "push the nose" in the direction you want it to go. In this case you would apply right rudder (pushing the nose to the right). Or the way I think about it is to still visualize from behind the plane and push the tail in the opposite direction, in which case it's still right stick because I'm pushing the tail away (driving the shopping cart backwards).

    I hope this helps, it certainly helped me.

    Keith Black 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Anthony Abdullah 
      To: discussion at nsrca.org 
      Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 2:39 PM
      Subject: Re: Sitting in the plane or not ?


      Keith, I am intrigued. Other than crosswind flying my biggest weakness is correct rudder inputs. I am still somewhat unclear on what you mean by "push the tail". If you are inverted flying left to right and past yourself and you want to correct heading "in" toward the flight line, you want to push the tail out or input left rudder? Is that the correct way of thinking or am I still as confused as I look (take my word on that one). 

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