Ellection process - use the bylaws it's easier
tony at radiosouthrc.com
tony at radiosouthrc.com
Mon Dec 20 06:01:04 AKST 2004
Grow Pattern:
As President of NSRCA, let me describe what actually happened, not what you
THINK MIGHT have happened...
I asked Mike Dorna to handle the process of nominations from the start, as
listed in the by-laws. I have no idea where you get you miss-information
from, but you seem to easily believe it and are quite willing to pass it
around on the NSRCA discussion list prior to getting any facts....
Because the word "should" was used, I didn't believe that I was required to
follow this. The reason is that I was not aware that it had been done in
previous years, as no other officers brought it to mind... Personally, I
think it was a very poor choice of words if it was indeed meant to be a
requirement... However, after finding out that this was indeed done before,
I quickly corrected MY MISTAKE and worked to get a CPA firm to do this.
Because one of the candidates works for AMA, it was out of the question to
use AMA as the organization to count the ballots.
In order to keep it all above board, we had our printing company print and
mail the ballots, using the membership labels that are used from our
membership data base. This kept all the officers out of the process.
Unfortunately, the mailing was a few days late (going out in early December,
rather than late November) due to a problem with the printer obtaining the
mailing labels.
Because this is all now pretty much required to be "hands off" by the
officers, I don't know of a way to correct ballots that are not received by
members. If officers get involved, then they (we) can be accused of only
sending out ballots to those that we wanted to... How do those that are not
on the e-mail list know what to do to ask for a new ballot? You see, there
is no easy solution...
Next time, try to get some facts prior to making allegations..... You know
my phone number.....
Tony Stillman
Radio South
3702 N. Pace Blvd.
Pensacola, FL 32505
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grow Pattern" <pattern4u at comcast.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: Ellection process - use the bylaws it's easier
> Ed,
>
> As the primary author of the new bylaws I am a bit saddened by how
> things have worked out so far. The previous bylaws were not very
> comprehensive and open to a lot of personal interpretation. The new ones
> were written to make this a clear and easy to implement process.
>
>
>
> The first change was to have a non-officer lead a committee that would
> find candidates. This was to make it more comfortable for potential
> candidates to apply, because it would be to someone who was not an
> incumbent officer.
>
> To the best of my knowledge this did not quite happen. When reminded that
> there were new bylaws that covered this process Mike Dorna was selected to
> do the job.
>
>
>
> I assumed that the reminder that there were new bylaws would have
> prompted further checking of the rest of the new election bylaws. However,
> it was later announced that our secretary would count the votes. The board
> was again reminded that the bylaws specified a different action, namely
> that an "outside" AMA count should be made. The word "should" was
> subsequently challenged because if it said "shall" then it would have been
> done correctly?
>
>
>
> My major point is that if the bylaws had been used in the first place, and
> the spirit of the bylaws had been adhered to, then we would not have lost
> so much time, nor would we be where we are today. I am fully aware that we
> can't change the past, but we can do a lot about changing the future.
>
>
>
> As a non-profit organization we need to follow our bylaws and avoid these
> problems. As a society committed to developing our sport we need to follow
> our bylaws to let new and existing members know that we are good
> organization to be a part of.
>
>
>
> The last time I spoke out on my beliefs I got a few folks all riled up and
> drew some fire. As a contributor on RCU I would like us to considering
> adopting their standard of note writing. "Please resist the urge to curse,
> flame, degrade, insult or embarrass someone in your post. We encourage the
> free flow of your ideas, but believe that they can be communicated (and
> received) much more effectively if you keep things civil. If you have to
> vent, take it offline."
> Regards,
>
> Eric.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ARTICLE VIII - ELECTIONS, SELECTIONS AND TERM OF OFFICE.
>
>
>
> Section 1 - Vacancies
> a. Candidates for office will be researched and proposed by a Chairperson
> and/or committee selected by the President of the NSRCA. This Chairperson
> or Committee will be comprised of a member or members of the NSRCA who are
> not currently serving as elected or selected board members of the NSRCA.
>
>
>
>
>
> Section 2 - Executive Officers
>
> a. Executive officers shall hold office for two years from date of
> installation, and until their successors are elected.
>
>
>
> b. Executive officers shall be elected in the fall of even numbered years.
>
>
>
> c. Ballots are to be mailed out to the voting eligible NSRCA membership,
> wherever possible by the end of November of the election year.
>
>
>
> d. Closing date for ballot acceptance is DEC 31 for all election voting.
> All votes must have a postal date no later than December 31 and be
> received 10 calendar days thereafter.
>
>
>
> e. A third party to the NSRCA such as an external audit group of the AMA
> should count all votes.
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Ivey" <jivey61 at bellsouth.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 10:55 AM
> Subject: [SPAM] Re: FW: Ballots
>
>
>> Derek
>> As I said in my original e-mail ,it was sent, to you, for you, and was
>> not sent to the discussion page for the earthlings to have more fodder to
>> kick around.
>> For whatever reason you decided to make it public ,which is fine with me.
>> However, you negated my intentions of privacy by sending the responses to
>> the discussion page .
>>> The comments were only for you, to see our perception of your actions.
>> If there is a phrase, unprofessional e-mail etiquite,this would apply.
>> So be it.
>>
>> Jim Ivey
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: "Derek Koopowitz" <derekkoopowitz at earthlink.net>
>>> Date: 2004/12/19 Sun AM 01:07:33 EST
>>> To: "NSRCA List" <discussion at nsrca.org>
>>> Subject: FW: Ballots
>>>
>>> And just so everyone can see my response as well...
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Derek Koopowitz [mailto:derekkoopowitz at earthlink.net]
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 10:05 PM
>>> To: 'Jim Ivey'
>>> Subject: RE: Ballots
>>>
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> As an elected executive officer of the NSRCA - yes, I am still in
>>> office - I
>>> can still make comments about how I want to see things done, or see
>>> things
>>> done the right way. That is my right. I do not intend to control
>>> anything
>>> or anyone - that isn't my style. If I want to solicit input for the
>>> K-Factor why can't I? As the ex-editor (a week removed) I think I have
>>> that
>>> right to, don't you think? I'd be doing it regardless of whether I was
>>> running for President.
>>>
>>> As for the ballots? Well, I guess we'll be damned if we don't do
>>> anything
>>> and we'll be damned if we do. Who wins? I don't. You don't. The
>>> person
>>> that didn't vote, didn't.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jim Ivey [mailto:jivey61 at bellsouth.net]
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 9:57 PM
>>> To: derekkoopowitz at earthlink.net
>>> Subject: Ballots
>>>
>>> Derek
>>> I am keeping these comments direct to you and not on the discussion
>>> page.
>>> The comments about generating extra ballots is not legal. Maureen,
>>> can't
>>> do it legally and since a private group is handling the election They
>>> won't
>>> do it either.
>>> The peoples concerns should be directed to Tony Stillman, who is still
>>> President, not you.
>>> Derek from my view point it appears that you are already trying to
>>> control
>>> the K-factors contents and change the balloting system. A candidate for
>>> office should put his platform on the table to let the people see who to
>>> vote for. When the elections are over the person that is elected can
>>> have
>>> all the control and power they want to have.
>>> Look at this from my side of the fence and I think you can understand
>>> what I
>>> am saying.
>>> I'm not the only one that has seen it this way.
>>>
>>> Jim Ivey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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