Some Diagrams & Judging video

[Ted Sander]

Lots of really good points here - something to think about as I get ready
for my annual stint as a judge for a local event this coming weekend.
("Those who can, enter - Those who can't judge!")

 

Anybody have a resource for how to get the Judging video Steve referred to?
Being a once-or-twice a year judge, it would really help to keep me up
brushed up on how to look at the maneuvers.  Always hated having to judge
that first contestant or two of the event, because I knew I wasn't in the
groove of what to look at, yet.  Unfortunately, attending a NATS or similar
seminar may not ever be in my future.

 

Ted Sander

 

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From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Steven maxwell
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:14 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: Some Diagrams

 

 Refering to the Judging video, answers these questions without a doubt that
true geometery is to be flown at all times, and the video does say that the
turnaround 45 degree line will appear to be steeper than a center manuvuer,
I watch this at least twice at the begining of the pattern season, and twice
a week or 2 before the Nat's. Now throw in the human element and it has been
proven at the Nat's that many view many things differently, scores have been
seen 8,9, and 0, now it has been said many times that the spin and snap are
the hardest to judge and do correctly,but these points can also vary on
lines and radius, so if at local contest you have one judge that like a
certian look as opposed to the other judges, I was recently at a contest and
upon completion of my flight one judge told me the "was a beutiful 4 point
roll" and the other judge agreed, so I looked at my scores both 8's. I
sujested at one time that if we had only one judge that done a perfect job,
then we wouldn't need any more than the one, all this would probably be
impossiable, as will be to get perfect judging or flying. All of you have
made good points here and this is the best of of what this list is about to
bad all members aren't on it.

 Steve Maxwell 
Ed Deaver <divesplat at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hey Keith, I have thought about this quite a bit.  Here are some conclusions
I've had;

 

1)  Having drawn out 45 degrees and examined it, most judges will downgrade
for a true 45 degrees on a center manuever.  Most judges(pilots) want to see
about 50-55 degrees to award a high score(IMO)  Without geometric tools and
a perfect horizon, it is difficult to see and for all judges to have the
same opinion on "what is 45 degrees"

 

2)  For center manuevers you will receive a higher downgrade for being too
"flat" as opposed to too "steep"(again IMO)  Try to error on the steeper
side for any center manuever 45's. 

 

3)  On end manuevers, I have seen people pulling 75 degree angles in the
defense it is at the end of the box.  To quote a psychiatrist somewhere,
"Perception is Reality"  Personnally believe it is fopah to pull a line
really steep in the belief the judges will extrapolate a lesser angle, just
because it is at the end of the box.  Judges score on what they SEE, not
what they calculate.  If the 45 degree angle at the end of the box, appears
45 degrees I think you will get the higher score.  If the angle looks
60degrees that is a solid 1 pt deduction.  However, see 2 above.

 

4)  Lastly, a pilot/judges opinion of what is round/45 degrees/stalled etc,
etc revolves around what they are exposed to and how they are exposed to it
also.  So a perfect 45 degree line may be downgraded or the 60 degree line
rewarded simply because that is what someone see routinely at their field of
practice.  

 

Just some thoughts.  Am curious as to others opinions also.

 

ed

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