Judging Questions

[Ron Van Putte]

On Aug 3, 2004, at 7:32 PM, David Wartel wrote:

> Please pardon my ignorance, but I'm fairly new to pattern and judging. 
> I'm having a hard time understanding this. Nothing was said about this 
> at the judging seminar I attended in June, (that I remember) except 
> that radii should be equal. Also, if maneuvers are judged on symmetry, 
> how can, for instance, a square loop or cuban eight be symmetrical if 
> the radii are not all equal?
>  
> Matt, I hope you can clarify your answer as it seems contradictory to 
> me. On one hand the first radius does not set the standard for the 
> others, but the entry and exit radii should be the same for Humpty's 
> and top hats etc??

What Matt said is correct.  There are several radii in many maneuvers.  
The first radius does not set the standard.  If it did, it would be 
easier on the judge.  For example a square loop has four radii.  The 
judge must decide whether they all were equal and, if not, which is the 
standard.  If two were done with one radius and two were done with 
another radius, different from the other two, there are two errors.  
The judge must decide which to use as the standard and how much the sum 
of the downgrades are for the other two.  All this must be done before 
judging on the next maneuver is started.  Nobody said judging was easy. 
  <BG>

Ron Van Putte

> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Rcmaster199 at aol.com
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Webra and Judging questions
>
> That's correct. The first radius does not set the standard for the 
> others. If all are done same as the first, no downgrade due to radius 
> differencess. If 2 out 4 are different, 2 points or more depending on 
> severity.
>  
> Same rationale for other maneuvers like Humpty's, top Hats, or Cuban 
> 8's, or even stalls for that matter: entry and exit radii should be 
> same and if not, 2 points for that infraction alone or more depending 
> on severity
>  
> MattK
> The rc pattern judges' guide in the AMA rulebook lists downgrades for 
> unequal radii for all the maneuvers with looping segments including 
> the square loop. It says nothing about an exception for the first 
> segment.
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: John Crozier
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 10:02 AM
> Subject: Webra and Judging questions
>
> 1. Is there a "downside" to running Powermaster 20-20 in the 145 Webra?
> 2. Do I recall correctly that the first radius of a looping maneuver 
> does NOT set the standard for the other radii in the maneuver?
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