NO Flash cards

Sat Apr 17 19:10:17 AKDT 2004

I also like the idea of the judge writing the scores down on a  note pad  
then the scribe records them. 

 I  write and the scibe writes and then  the scribe double checks.
Another suggestion is  that when the scores are posted the judges name also 
shows up on the board for the pilots to review. 
We try and have the judge sign the score sheets each time. That always helps 
the contest in general.
Marguerite

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In a message dated 4/17/2004 10:32:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rsbxon at ev1.net writes:
I vote for writing the scores down on a pad,  based on my experience.  I see 
no compelling reason for hand signals -- it seems more complex than simply 
writing them down on a piece of paper.  Also hand signals could introduce 
translation errors in that the judge cannot keep track of what the scribe has written 
down.  In FAI pattern, the maneuvers come very quickly and I believe it would 
be difficult, if not possible to, keep up using Flash cards or hand signals.  
 I also like the audit trail of the score-on-the-pad system.  I respectfully 
disagree that all the flyers need to see the scores real time -- In my 
experience few flyers have the time to watch their competitors fly due to maintenance 
on their airplane, calling for others, or simply want to rest.  I trust the 
judges to get it right and do not think we need to second guess zero's from the 
pit area.  TRAIN THE JUDGES AND LET THEM DO THEIR JOB.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: mike mueller 
To: discussion at nsrca.org 
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"

 The way I  propose the hand signals to work  is like this:
 Right hand signifys 6 to 10 the thumb and index finger would be a 7. For 
half numbers you simply move the fingers to your palm and extend them several 
times. A whole number stays put and extended. Numbers under a 5 are on the left 
hand. I really think that the simplier we keep it the better it could succeed. 
 Again I'd like to know if someone would like to trial this system at a 
contest. If only for a couple of rounds with willing participants. I think it's 
worth a try. I don't think there's anything in the rules that would prevent this. 
Thanks, Mike

Lance Van Nostrand <patterndude at comcast.net> wrote:
for me, I totally agree with these guys.  RVP was the first to suggest this 
that I heard at the nats a few years ago and I started doing it this way and 
knew it was the way to go.  I write the scores on the pad in a column without 
taking my eyes off the plane.  
  Maybe the easiest, low tech way to announce the scores is to have the 
scribe be the "publisher" for the manuver scores during the flight, and then copys 
the scores to the official sheet in between rounds.  
   As a technology guy (s/w engineer) I'd love to see electronic scoreboards 
and PDA systems, but for over 100 years simple hand signals have served the 
arbitragers in the stock market.  A simple adaptation of this system would be:
1. Show the main score with your fingers, top of the hand facing the audience
2. If a hand is turned so that a palm is facing the audience, then add 1/2 
point

Even if there are a few mistakes along the way with the palms, the audience 
will be informed to within a 1/2 point.

--Lance

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ron Van Putte 
To: discussion at nsrca.org 
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"

On Apr 17, 2004, at 5:47 AM, Del K. Rykert wrote:

The only other system I have found that works well is using a pad to write 
down the scores and hopefully the scribe can read my scribble and I don't 
overwrite my scores. It is better but not perfect. At least not perfect for me. When 
I have a knowledgeable scribe that is used to my system scores flow. When I 
have a warm body stuck in scribes chair the system breaks down no matter what 
the system is in some cases especially while judging FAI.
    Keep the thoughts flowing and something better might be created.

I do what Del describes, except that I usually don't use a scribe. After the 
last airborne maneuver, I transcribe from the pad to the scoresheet.. I am 
usually done before the airplane is on final landing approach.

Ron Van Putte

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