A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"

[mike mueller]

 Thanks Lance, I thought I was going crazy. Mike

Lance Van Nostrand <patterndude at comcast.net> wrote:Benefits of publishing manuver scores:
1. Spectator involvement
2. training of spectator judges practicing
3. Promote discussion on judging which will improve all
10. Judge feedback
 
--Lance
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: mike mueller 
To: discussion at nsrca.org 
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"


 Everyone needs to see the scores as they are happening. How else do we catch guys scoring snaps that should be a 0? How are we going to coach? The way were doing it now has more holes in it than swiss cheese. My proposed system allows for improvement and a better understanding of how to judge as well as what judges are looking for in maneuvers. It's educational and adds more life to the contests. Could you explain to me how this adds a distraction to the pilots? I don't remember that being a problem in the 70's. Also this system works as well as telling the scribe your score but actually adds far less of a distraction than having the pilot hear a load judge verbally telling the scribes the score. Really what's wrong with it?
 I'd really like a concrete reasons why our present system is better. If I seem passionate about the argument than you'd have an accurate assessment of how I feel. Status quo ain't cutting it for me. Thanks,  Mike

Don Ramsey <drams at cox-internet.com> wrote:
Maybe I'm missing the point here.  I don't think anyone needs to see the scores until the round is complete.  There are enough distractions for the pilots and judges from the spectators now.  
 
Don
----- Original Message ----- 
From: mike mueller 
To: discussion at nsrca.org 
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"


 Who get's to see the pad? How does this help in our ability to judge the judging? Mike

Don Ramsey <donramsey at cox-internet.com> wrote: I believe the pad is the best answer.  Two years ago at the NATS finals Somenzini's scores were lost in transport to scoring.  Two judges were asked to refile and only the scratch pads saved the day.  I always put the contestant name or number at the top of a column and record the scores vertically. If there is a scribe there is no need for questions about anything until the round is finished.  I check the scribe or transcribe the scores after the final maneuver.  Of course, this may not allow me to view the entire landing sequence.  
 
Don
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ron Van Putte 
To: discussion at nsrca.org 
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"



On Apr 17, 2004, at 5:47 AM, Del K. Rykert wrote:

The only other system I have found that works well is using a pad to write down the scores and hopefully the scribe can read my scribble and I don't overwrite my scores. It is better but not perfect. At least not perfect for me. When I have a knowledgeable scribe that is used to my system scores flow. When I have a warm body stuck in scribes chair the system breaks down no matter what the system is in some cases especially while judging FAI.
    Keep the thoughts flowing and something better might be created.

I do what Del describes, except that I usually don't use a scribe. After the last airborne maneuver, I transcribe from the pad to the scoresheet. I am usually done before the airplane is on final landing approach.

Ron Van Putte



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