A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"

[mike mueller]

 Del what we need is a system that's open for all to see. Ours causes more problems than I can begin to explain with all the secrecy. When you were accousted my the irate flyers did you feel that you could in turn judge you fairly? If we had visual scoring they would be watched and that might have kept them honest. Yes we need to evaluate judging and there needs to be more dialog for correction. Really think the time has come for change here. If it doesn;t happen then we will be discussing the same old dumb stuff again and again form now till we quit. You only have to look as far as snap scoring to recognize the need to see what's going on up on the line. Were pretty much all gentelman here and I feel confident that the tools available will result in improvement for the better of us all. I have to tell everyone that I appreciate the debate pro or con. I'm listening in a serious manner and I'm sorry if I hit a few nerves. Thanks again, Mike Mueller

"Del K. Rykert" <drykert at localnet.com> wrote:
I didn't realize judging the judges was one of the goals here. Myself I have been verbally accosted by irate people after judging which is inexcusable but do we need more of that crap.
 
                         del 
               NSRCA - 473
----- Original Message ----- 
From: mike mueller 
To: discussion at nsrca.org 
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"


 Who get's to see the pad? How does this help in our ability to judge the judging? Mike

Don Ramsey <donramsey at cox-internet.com> wrote: I believe the pad is the best answer.  Two years ago at the NATS finals Somenzini's scores were lost in transport to scoring.  Two judges were asked to refile and only the scratch pads saved the day.  I always put the contestant name or number at the top of a column and record the scores vertically. If there is a scribe there is no need for questions about anything until the round is finished.  I check the scribe or transcribe the scores after the final maneuver.  Of course, this may not allow me to view the entire landing sequence.  
 
Don
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ron Van Putte 
To: discussion at nsrca.org 
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"



On Apr 17, 2004, at 5:47 AM, Del K. Rykert wrote:

The only other system I have found that works well is using a pad to write down the scores and hopefully the scribe can read my scribble and I don't overwrite my scores. It is better but not perfect. At least not perfect for me. When I have a knowledgeable scribe that is used to my system scores flow. When I have a warm body stuck in scribes chair the system breaks down no matter what the system is in some cases especially while judging FAI.
    Keep the thoughts flowing and something better might be created.

I do what Del describes, except that I usually don't use a scribe. After the last airborne maneuver, I transcribe from the pad to the scoresheet. I am usually done before the airplane is on final landing approach.

Ron Van Putte



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