A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"

[george kennie]

I agree Mike that it's a great debate, but we're getting to the point
where some of the less patient are going to start encouraging everyone
to put this thing  to bed.
   I've loved it because I've gottten more technical stuff printed out
in the last few days than in quite a while. I love being able to
participate in a forum where I can dice with the really smart guys in
spite of the fact that I have no technical background. Man, I learn
soooo..... much. When I joined this list about 5 years ago I had an I.Q.
of 56 and now it's all the way up to 61. Where else can I go to make
that kind of progress?
Georgie

mike mueller wrote:

>  Del, I realize that flash cards would be tough and that's why too
> many would resist it. What about flashing fingers. I know for fact
> that it's easier than verbally telling the scribe. It serves a
> function in that others can now judge the judging. How can we improve
> if we can't even see what the scores are. I'm telling you that I feel
> strongly that this system would help us alot. I'm hoping someone trys
> it. It'll take someone to step up to the plate and try this method.
> It's super simple and it works. Another added benefit of flashing
> scores is that you can establish judging tendences. Judge A downgrades
> for in to close while judge C like's them close. In the old days
> judges tendency's were studied much like an umpire calling balls and
> strikes. Some umps call strikes on lower pitches than others. Teams
> learn these tendencies and use them to their advantage. Again last I
> checked I fly pattern for recreation. Let's bring back some of the
> fun!                                  I still think it's a great
> debate. Mike
>
> "Del K. Rykert" <drykert at localnet.com> wrote:
>
>      Mike..    I don't see how there is enough time while judging
>      FAI to mess with flash cards?                          del
>                     NSRCA - 473
>
>           ----- Original Message -----
>           From: mike mueller
>           To: discussion at nsrca.org
>           Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:47 PM
>           Subject: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash
>           cards"
>            I propose that flash cards be brought back to
>           judging. It would allow judges to be critiqued by
>           their peers. The way it works is the judge has
>           numbered flash cards on his lap. The scribe sits
>           behind the judge and records the data. Nothing new
>           here but if a guy is scoring vanilla it will be
>           detected. If a guy is giving good scores to bad
>           snaps it would give others the ability to
>           straighten him out. Flash cards worked in the old
>           days and they are sorely needed now. If you like
>           the idea and your a CD it's as easy to try as
>           doing it. To the best of my knowledge there aren't
>           any rules to stop you. Flash cards made
>           speculating more fun and was educational. Has
>           anyone done this in recent times?      I'm
>           searching for an answer here. Do you have a better
>           solution because if your leaving it up to the good
>           faith of others then you have what we have now?
>           Human nature always reverts back to the same bad
>           habits no matter how much you beat things into
>           others. In the end it's a system that fails not
>           humans.Edward Deming stated that 85% of all
>           failures are due to systems problems and the
>           remaining 15% are human. I believe he was correct.
>           Our system is flawed and it's keeping the sport
>           back. I stated before that I don't like contestant
>           judging. On average the decline of pattern that
>           started in the mid 80's parallels the advent of
>           this procedure. I realize that it's too hard to
>           fix it now but something has to change.It's pretty
>           easy to experiment with flash cards. I know from
>           personal experience that it works and I can't see
>           why we got away from it. It's good to debate,
>           Thanks, Mike Mueller
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