NO Flash cards

[Ron]

I vote for writing the scores down on a pad,  based on my experience.  I see no compelling reason for hand signals -- it seems more complex than simply writing them down on a piece of paper.  Also hand signals could introduce translation errors in that the judge cannot keep track of what the scribe has written down.  In FAI pattern, the maneuvers come very quickly and I believe it would be difficult, if not possible to, keep up using Flash cards or hand signals.   I also like the audit trail of the score-on-the-pad system.  I respectfully disagree that all the flyers need to see the scores real time -- In my experience few flyers have the time to watch their competitors fly due to maintenance on their airplane, calling for others, or simply want to rest.  I trust the judges to get it right and do not think we need to second guess zero's from the pit area.  TRAIN THE JUDGES AND LET THEM DO THEIR JOB.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mike mueller 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 3:37 PM
  Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"


   The way I  propose the hand signals to work  is like this:
   Right hand signifys 6 to 10 the thumb and index finger would be a 7. For half numbers you simply move the fingers to your palm and extend them several times. A whole number stays put and extended. Numbers under a 5 are on the left hand. I really think that the simplier we keep it the better it could succeed. 
   Again I'd like to know if someone would like to trial this system at a contest. If only for a couple of rounds with willing participants. I think it's worth a try. I don't think there's anything in the rules that would prevent this. Thanks, Mike

  Lance Van Nostrand <patterndude at comcast.net> wrote:
    for me, I totally agree with these guys.  RVP was the first to suggest this that I heard at the nats a few years ago and I started doing it this way and knew it was the way to go.  I write the scores on the pad in a column without taking my eyes off the plane.  
      Maybe the easiest, low tech way to announce the scores is to have the scribe be the "publisher" for the manuver scores during the flight, and then copys the scores to the official sheet in between rounds.  
       As a technology guy (s/w engineer) I'd love to see electronic scoreboards and PDA systems, but for over 100 years simple hand signals have served the arbitragers in the stock market.  A simple adaptation of this system would be:
    1. Show the main score with your fingers, top of the hand facing the audience
    2. If a hand is turned so that a palm is facing the audience, then add 1/2 point

    Even if there are a few mistakes along the way with the palms, the audience will be informed to within a 1/2 point.

    --Lance

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Ron Van Putte 
      To: discussion at nsrca.org 
      Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 7:57 AM
      Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"



      On Apr 17, 2004, at 5:47 AM, Del K. Rykert wrote:


        The only other system I have found that works well is using a pad to write down the scores and hopefully the scribe can read my scribble and I don't overwrite my scores. It is better but not perfect. At least not perfect for me. When I have a knowledgeable scribe that is used to my system scores flow. When I have a warm body stuck in scribes chair the system breaks down no matter what the system is in some cases especially while judging FAI.
            Keep the thoughts flowing and something better might be created.


      I do what Del describes, except that I usually don't use a scribe. After the last airborne maneuver, I transcribe from the pad to the scoresheet.. I am usually done before the airplane is on final landing approach.

      Ron Van Putte



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