Pattern & IMAC 2003 Nationals articles in AMA Mag.

John Crozier sjcrozier at comcast.net
Thu Oct 30 10:55:55 AKST 2003 

AMEN!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Stillman" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: Pattern & IMAC 2003 Nationals articles in AMA Mag.


> John:
>
> I am sure that those fit into the "37" weekends this year that the site is
> "locked up" due to "EVENTS".    As stated before, we should have 52
weekends
> "locked up" for events!
>
> Tony Stillman
> Radio South
> 3702 N. Pace Blvd.
> Pensacola, FL 32505
> 1-800-962-7802
> www.radiosouthrc.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Crozier" <sjcrozier at comcast.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:07 AM
> Subject: Re: Pattern & IMAC 2003 Nationals articles in AMA Mag.
>
>
> > Tony,
> >  Although I have never logged a complaint,  dog shows, hot air balloon
> > exhibits, kite exhibitions, and model rocket launches
> > have closed the facility for RC flying on various weekends.....croz
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Tony Stillman" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:55 AM
> > Subject: Re: Pattern & IMAC 2003 Nationals articles in AMA Mag.
> >
> >
> > > I was told by people at AMA that President Dave Brown had received
quite
> a
> > > few messages about this (about 200) form pilots complaining that the
> > > National Site had too many events, making it unavailable for everyday
> > > flying.
> > >
> > > Tony Stillman
> > > Radio South
> > > 3702 N. Pace Blvd.
> > > Pensacola, FL 32505
> > > 1-800-962-7802
> > > www.radiosouthrc.com
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "John Crozier" <sjcrozier at comcast.net>
> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:17 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Pattern & IMAC 2003 Nationals articles in AMA Mag.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Where did the notion that "AMA wants the facility available more to
> > > regular
> > > > members" originate?
> > > > If that's true, I agree that it is a lame excuse to not extend the
> NATS.
> > > > I live in the Muncie area, and fly there occasionally.
> > > > Usually when meeting an out- of -town buddy, as my home field has a
> > > no-guest
> > > > policy.
> > > > On any given week-day, we are almost always the only fliers there.
> > > > Occasionally, a couple of glider pilots show up.
> > > > Weekends will see a slightly larger turnout if the weather is
"nice".
> > > > Munsee SkyChiefs have "trainer night" on Tuesdays.
> > > > The club offers trainers with buddy cords, and instructors, for
people
> > who
> > > > are interested in learning.
> > > > During the NATS, the club uses their home field at the Muncie
> reservoir.
> > > > Approximately 50 of us fliers in this area are scattered among Three
> > > "behind
> > > > the barn" flying sites.
> > > > These  sites are certified for insurance purposes, and used at the
> > > pleasure
> > > > of the farmer-land owner on a year-to-year agreement.
> > > > In summery:
> > > > The AMA has no registration procedure for site users, so I can only
> > relate
> > > > what I have seen.
> > > > I have seen 0 to 4 fliers on weekdays, and as many as Six fliers on
> > > > weekends.....croz
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Gray E Fowler" <gfowler at raytheon.com>
> > > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:43 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Pattern & IMAC 2003 Nationals articles in AMA Mag.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Wow ! If the AMA wants the facility available more to regular
> members
> > > then
> > > > > that is a very lame excuse. The national flying site was built for
> the
> > > > > NATS, not just in case someone is traveling thru the cornfields of
> > > > > Indiana....with an airplane....I do believe Steve Maxwell(lives
> > nearby)
> > > > > told me that people rarely fly there anyway...so if that was an
> > official
> > > > > excuse  to shorten the NATS, then it is just plain lame. The
average
> > AMA
> > > > > member could get more flying time by staying home.  This just
seems
> so
> > > > > incredible if it is true....the world's largest site dedicated to
RC
> > > JUST
> > > > > IN CASE you are in Indiana with a plane......Imagine if the AMA
held
> > no
> > > > > competition and did not need the flying site, only an admin blgd,
> how
> > > much
> > > > > better off financially the AMA would be.
> > > > > If this is true we should fire every AMA executive we know and
> replace
> > > > > them with Dilbert managers...we would be much better off....
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Gray Fowler
> > > > > Principal Chemical Engineer
> > > > > Composites Engineering
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
> > > > > Sent by: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> > > > > 10/29/2003 12:24 PM
> > > > > Please respond to discussion
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >         To:     discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > >         cc:
> > > > >         Subject:        Re: Pattern & IMAC 2003 Nationals articles
> in
> > > AMA
> > > > Mag.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian Young wrote:
> > > > > Whats the reasoning behind wanting a smaller time
> > > > > slot? We have this huge national facility....seems odd.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The AMA "rents" the facility to AMA members so they can stop by
the
> > > > > facility, visit the museum and fly an airplane on one of the
sites.
> > The
> > > > > Nats are held during the prime flying season (past Nats attenders
> may
> > > > > argue that statement, based on bad weather), so the time for
> ordinary
> > > AMA
> > > > > members use the facility is reduced.  If they make the total
> duration
> > of
> > > > > the Nats shorter, more AMA members can use the facility.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron Van Putte
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> > > > > [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of
> > > > > Ron Van Putte
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:35 AM
> > > > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: Pattern & IMAC 2003 Nationals articles
> > > > > in AMA Mag.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > One problem I see looming on the horizon is the AMA
> > > > > will force NSRCA and IMAC to share the same 5 day
> > > > > period at the Nats.  The AMA Executive Council has
> > > > > already gone on record that it wants the Nats to be
> > > > > done in a shorter time frame.  Initially this will
> > > > > be implemented by pushing existing SIG time slots
> > > > > closer together, but, sooner or later, they will
> > > > > probably take note of the shrinking numbers of IMAC
> > > > > pilots at the Nats and decide that the NSRCA and
> > > > > IMAC can be done during the same time frame.
> > > > >
> > > > > Henderson,Eric wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike,
> > > > >           I have always hated the split. I know how
> > > > > and why it happened and also know that you can't
> > > > > change the past.  I fly anything with wings and
> > > > > especially like flying both types of planes. (The
> > > > > real difference is the equipment specifications).
> > > > > The classes flown and the styles do need separate
> > > > > organizations to take care of their needs.
> > > > >
> > > > > I wrote this several months ago, "Create the USRCA -
> > > > > United States Radio Controlled Aerobatics - A forum
> > > > > for common and collaborative issues to provide
> > > > > united national representation, (in particular to
> > > > > the AMA). Core group would be two rep's from each
> > > > > current and any new RC aerobatics SIG's".  (Nothing
> > > > > nasty came up on Google with the acronym-BTW). today
> > > > > this would be IMAC, SPA and the NSRCA forming the
> > > > > initial umbrella organization.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The inherent problem with each discipline forming
> > > > > its own SIG is that the word "special" leads to much
> > > > > "specialization" and becomes a synonym for
> > > > > separation. Forming a USRCA keeps the SIG identities
> > > > > and operations fully functional, but creates a forum
> > > > > for common issues such as, sound regulation, Nat's
> > > > > locations, contest scheduling, rules cycles etc.
> > > > > that affect us all.
> > > > >
> > > > > Howzat for food for thought.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Eric.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [
> > > > > mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of
> > > > > mike mueller
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:19 AM
> > > > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: Pattern & Imac 2003 Nationals articles
> > > > > in AMA Mag.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  I feel that we have so much in common with the IMAC
> > > > > guys. I really think that we would benefit if we
> > > > > would merge into one group and bring in the SPA guys
> > > > > too. It's RC aerobatics and 1 group would be more
> > > > > effective from the standpoint of strength in numbers
> > > > > and eliminating redundancy. If we would work
> > > > > together we would be much better off. But hey that's
> > > > > just my opinion. Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > george kennie  <mailto:geobet at gis.net>
> > > > > <geobet at gis.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Boy, I had a similar reaction. After all the hype
> > > > > over the last several years about how Imac is the
> > > > > fastest growing venue of the sport, they had a total
> > > > > head count of 37??? C'mon, at a Nationals
> > > > > event???????????  As far as representatives of a
> > > > > SIG, it appears that they had absolutely zero
> > > > > support people. You can't feel that this is due to
> > > > > some economic condition, as all these guys seem to
> > > > > have airplanes in the >$7500 category. It also
> > > > > sounds like they do not have a judging program to
> > > > > certify potential judges, as there were many
> > > > > complaints regarding unfair scoring awards,
> > > > > resulting in many pilots realizing that they had
> > > > > been unduly cheated.
> > > > > The overall tenor of the entire meet seemed to have
> > > > > a great black pall decend upon Muncie for the
> > > > > duration of their event with nobody leaving for home
> > > > > with a good feeling.
> > > > > This report certainly does not bode well as an
> > > > > encouraging carrot regarding future attendance.
> > > > > Their venue appears to require a super shot in the
> > > > > arm of administrative influx, if they are going to
> > > > > survive in a manner capable of sustaining any number
> > > > > base.
> > > > > It's very SAD!!!!!!!!
> > > > > Georgie
> > > > >
> > > > > Woodward James R Civ 412 TW/DRP wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you read the write up by Eric and Ed regarding
> > > > > the Pattern and IMAC nats results and event running
> > > > > in general?  I really enjoyed reading Eric's
> > > > > article.  When I read the IMAC article I thought,
> > > > > "Ed has a lot of courage to describe the event the
> > > > > way he did."  It once again made me think of how
> > > > > lucky we are to have dedicated individuals running
> > > > > our Nationals & NSRCA.  Lots of times we start
> > > > > threads about what needs to be changed in pattern.
> > > > > Given some things could be improved; we must overall
> > > > > have a pretty good formula for getting people
> > > > > involved & trained in judging.  The articles are
> > > > > definitely worth a thorough read!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No flame suit, just starting dialog.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim W.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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