Worlds e-mail answers....LONG

[Koenig, Tom]

Jason,

I for one think you did a TERRIFIC job. The magnitude of what you did at the
worlds, I think, will probably not be realised for some time yet. BUT...
wait a couple of years and I think Mr OS and Yamada San will  have something
to be concerned about!

I must admit though, personally, I am sitting on the fence right now, happy
to watch others do the hard work with this technology. For years I was out
on a limb with aeroplane design, development etc at the expense of my flying
practice...so now I'll let others do the work on this one.

For what its worth.. I can honestly say that most pattern fliers down here
in the land of Oz would change to electric as fast as you  could flick a
switch...but at this point ( maybe through misinformation..I dont know) the
battery technology  and price is what is scaring everyone at this point in
time.

I fully understand that for all of this to propagate and to develop, it will
take more people to just have a go..you alone cannot possibly achieve all
the development which may need to take place. So I guess if I think about
this much longer, I may just talk myself into an electric F3A <VBG>!!

In any case, congratulations again, keep up the fantastic work...and get the
information out there, and oh yes...sorry..but Australian pattern fliers are
watching..very carefully!!!

All the best

Tom



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> From: 	Jason[SMTP:jasonshulman at cox.net]
> Reply To: 	discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: 	Tuesday, 18 November 2003 12:04
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> Subject: 	Worlds e-mail answers....LONG
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> After the Worlds I came home to over 150 e-mails with something in regards
> to me flying an electric at the Worlds. I saved all the ones that had some
> sort of question, or something I felt I needed to comment on, that was
> directed towards me.
> 
> Here are my answers/thoughts....
> 
> 08-04-03
> 
> Dave Smith- 22x12
> Eric H.- The pilot is allowed to fly anything they want as long as it is
> legal according to the rule book.
> Gary Fowler- Both are yes, win or lose.
> Don Atwood- Thank you
> Bill Glaze- Piloting ability. Yes.
> Ron Van Putte- According to the rule book, YES. I did not do it for
> business
> reasons. At the time the only airplane I had for JMC was the Exhila
> (35"ws,
> 18oz., 3D plane). I do now work at Hacker Brushless, but only because
> living
> off of my good looks wasn't paying off. And I'm sure I'll always be
> second-guessed forever. It's my nature to want to be different, you should
> know. You remember me growing up and what I looked like. I know that
> played
> a part of my results, most of the pilots told me that, but I was having
> fun.
> When I decided to get serious, I got a haircut and some normal clothes and
> Walla, my FAI career headed for the sky. And when I went to Ireland with a
> Goatee...I was TERRIFIED, and it all stemmed back to the early years of
> "playing and looking the part".
> Dave Smith- As you probably know, Chip and I took our planes with us. Sean
> shipped his. Since I didn't need fuel, I went and practiced a day before
> Chip and Sean. Some of the Europeans were flying 250 and HUGE, but not the
> norm for the contest.
> Matt K.- I hope that we (judges) are choosing the quality of flying, not
> pilots and planes (ends up being that ultimately, but based on flight
> performance). And Team Gold is the first thing I shoot for, not individual
> achievements. I could have flown my AS from the TT, but I sold the back
> up.
> I had 2 new ones on order, but they didn't arrive until the week we left,
> not enough time to debug them...IF they were finished. The Rhapsody's were
> finished weeks before we left, and the systems were all the same ones
> being
> flown by the likes of the Hacker crew and Gary Wright for over a year
> before. Actually the Team didn't have to agree on it, but I did seek their
> opinion. Chip loved it (watching and flying it) and Sean and Tony weren't
> around to comment.
> Mark Atwood- Chip only switched between bipes at the Nats. And the
> comments
> were only one way...LOL.
> Bob P.- Thank you.
> 
> 08-05-03
> 
> Lance- No necessary to discuss with other team members, but I did try as I
> personally wanted them to be comfortable with my choice.
> Harry S.- So true. Thank you for your support, and it's true that we get
> snips in Poland. I had a Team Manager come up to me and tell me that I was
> the talk of the list and I may not want to go back home unless I finish
> well....Imagine my expression, even though he was joking to a point.
> Careful
> of sticking your neck out too far and thanks for your support.
> Deanno- Thank you
> Marty P.- Thank you. And the Team is made up of 3 individuals, no matter
> how
> you look at it. I strive to do my very best, as do Chip and Sean. The Team
> part comes into play when one of us does something that may affect the
> others. That's why I made an effort to let everyone (Team wise, sorry
> pattern world) what I was doing and if they thought it was as good as I
> was
> perceiving it to be.
> Wayne- Thank you and so true.
> Jon Uhler- We are selected based on performance, not equipment used. If
> not,
> is that why Don didn't make the Team, cause he was flying JR (only
> difference from the top 3)?
> George F.- ROFLMAO....fun thing this internet is....
> Martin M.- Don't hold me to this, but if AMA made the rule, it only
> applies
> to AMA events, Yes? It was competitively motivated, not business related.
> Gerald Williams- Even though humorous, I thank you for the support, and
> it's
> true about the new designs. Wolfgang/Roland already have a Lazuitte done
> in
> electric and flying it. Right Lance...LOL
> Bill Glaze- Charge it of course....LOL
> Dave Smith- Thank you
> Jon Uhler- I never use something just cause a sponsor wants me too. It
> took
> me 6 months to switch from the 9V to the 9Z (flew a Team Trials and Nats
> with the V over the Z). And if the Rhapsody's were available to me for the
> TT, they would have been there, but they were a couple weeks late.
> Lance- I'd be curious if Tony had something like this before when he was
> team manager (pilots asking approval before hand). Tony?
> Ron Van Putte- Was Tony unhappy or just concerned, there is a big
> difference. I respect Tony, Chip and Sean enough that again, I chose to
> get
> their opinion.
> Earl Vincent- LOL...Great.
> Bill Harden- Risk....Without Risk There is NO Reward...or something like
> that....The only risk I feel I took was flying the Rhapsody's, not the
> electric power.
> Jim Ivey- As much as I would like to believe that my reputation could with
> stand a blow like causing the US Team not to win the Gold, I don't feel it
> could. But I thank you for the support.
> Buddy Brammer- Thank you for the support. There is an F5A class, or at
> least
> there was. While at the Worlds, Sandy Pimenoff and the FAI crew were all
> discussing canceling F5A because of what I did in F3A with electric. So
> goes
> my chance at an F5A World title...LOL
> Mike Mueller- I believe that the only ones who care about the US Pattern
> Team winning the Team Gold are US Pattern Fliers (and maybe a few future
> pattern pilots). But for me its about doing my part in winning a gold
> medal
> for the Team. I personally feel that making any rules because of my
> actions
> here will hurt pattern progress in the future. Just because the "US
> Pattern
> World" didn't see what I was doing to approve it for me, doesn't mean that
> I
> was jeopardizing the US Team in any way.
> Gary Wright- Close enough...LOL
> Bill Harden- Up until the week before we left for Poland, the Rhapsody's
> were my only choice in equipment. And if I had to get the 2 new AS's
> ready,
> there was a fear of making weight (in such short period of time). One
> thing
> that I was planning on was the Judges reaction to the electric. Working
> with
> Sean Plummer (Hacker Brushless USA) on this project, he was 99% sure that
> it
> was going to be nothing but favorable. The most stunning thing to me was
> to
> have some of the judges come up to me after they saw me fly it was " I'm
> glad to see that it is possible to fly F3A with electric", and "Thank you
> for showing us that it can be done". Imagine my thoughts after hearing
> this....to say the least, I was floored. I knew (unfortunately) that the
> World
> was watching. That put me in a very uncomfortable position. I try not to
> be
> the "star", I prefer to be the lurker that just "happens" to be there in
> the
> end. And I'm glad that I can perform under stress....or at least for 9 out
> of
> 10 rounds.
> Gary Wright- I believe it is the fear of the unknown (which I love...oh,
> that'
> s Unknown patterns).
> Terry T.- I'm glad that Joe Gross had been flying electric at the Nats for
> the past 2 years, it shows he's having fun.. And I do believe that he has
> something in the works....
> Peter Pennisi- I don't believe it should be discussed, but I personally
> wanted to. And what if I lived in Montana, away from the others, then it's
> only phone/e-mail conversations about my choice. I'm just glad that we
> could
> all communicate with one another. It was a first for me.
> Bill Cripe- Thank you
> 
> 08-06-03
> 
> Marty P.- If only the first and last parts were true. But Chips comeback
> sure is.
> George F.- Thank you
> Martin M.- Thank you oh so much...
> James Woodward- I am actually a bit shocked at the comments about Joe's
> plane. Whose business is it to determine what one can and cannot fly
> (outside of the rules)? I'm glad he is HAVING FUN flying pattern. Sure his
> plane isn't the state-of-the-art 2M plane, but so what. The man is having
> fun and I hope I can continue to do the same, regardless of the plane I
> fly.
> Besides, remember all the complaining about flying P-05 around here next
> year....I'm pretty sure Joe would join us.
> Eric H.- I am going to insert my comments following your statements:
> 	My own opinion is as follows (And mine will follow like this):- I
> would
> have liked to have seen Jason's plane at the Nationals so that I could
> make
> an informed opinion. (Nothing personal, but your opinion is yours, glad
> you
> have one, but the only opinions I would/did seek were that of the directly
> involved, actual team members)   Chip took his chances and flew his
> Bi-planes at the team trials and the Nat's. ( He has drive and
> determination
> like no other, and also had planes and help before each contest)   We got
> to
> see the capabilities of the plane, (Not just the pilot). ( Have you flown
> the DV to see it's capabilities, or Chips piloting abilities?)   He also
> debugged a loose stab and some YS crankshaft prototype counter-weights.
> (And
> a few others in prototype products)   Jason's electric is a huge unknown
> in
> a competitive situation. (Sure, but nothing I used was a prototype
> anything,
> it was all available parts that have been around for some time. And what's
> the difference in a competition situation verses a practice situation? Was
> the fact that Chips YS flooded during the contest and not at practice one
> of
> those situations?)   As a person who has contributed energy, written
> effort
> and personal finance to the support of our team, I am much more
> comfortable
> with Chips approach. How I see this has nothing to do with rules and
> rights
> but much more the issue of obligations to those who ran team trials,
> raised
> funds, and sat in the judges chairs.  (And how do you think I felt being
> the
> ONLY electric at the Worlds and having a crowd, sometimes larger than
> CPLR's
> crowd watching...WITHOUT words cause they would stand out like a sore
> thumb!
> Check out Quiet Flyer (Nov-2003 issue) and I describe my first flight.)
> Jon Uhler- Like above, I too have an opinion. My opinion is that my use of
> electrics WAS in question, not how I flew the planes. Electrics are no
> more
> up and coming, they have been here....just in quiet (not intending the
> pun). I
> was even flying planes that could hover and rocket out 2 years ago, and
> with
> Li-Poly's, it just got that much better. My poor showing came in Round 1
> in
> the finals. And because of that one round, I ended up 7th. It would have
> been the same with the AS or any other "normal IC pattern plane". And as
> far
> as addressing anything in the future TT....there's no need to.
> Martin M.- How many more times can I thank you....thank you, thank
> you....etc.............
> Buddy Brammer- Thank you again, and yes, if the Kerosene YS existed (or
> better yet, OS) then because it didn't run on Nitro and such it would be
> here for debate.
> Bill Glaze- LOL....
> Jerry Stebbins- THANK YOU!!!
> John Ferrell- True, and on this one I'll keep my opinions to myself.
> Buddy Brammer- I'll answer them: Nothing. For me, 3 times, but who
> remembers...right. I only had 1 that was actually at the following Worlds.
> Only 1st Worlds did I use the same. Only Futaba!!!
> Ron Van Putte- The plan was to try the electric (and for me hoped it
> worked,
> I really wanted it to) and see. I bought 2 new AS's which didn't arrive in
> time. All this WAS BEFORE the Team Trials. But late deliveries caused it
> to
> run afterwards, oh well. All the equipment used had plenty of time on it,
> except for the mini-Futaba digitals, they were only out for about 4
> months.
> And 12 Volts is still 12 Volts over there. As you said, the "infamous BIB"
> saga...that's part of my reputation now. But I'm not sure how...
> George F.- Thank you and I hope that it does spark an interest for some to
> come back or just start flying pattern.
> 	Part 2 George F.- LOL...and Thank you
> Mike McC- Thank you
> Tony "The Man" Stillman- Thank you for all of you support and
> concern....makes
> me feel wanted...LOL!!! I'm just glad I flew my 1/3 of a part for OUR
> Gold.
> Earl Vincent- Stop telling them you remember me as a kid....I'm almost 30
> now...LOL. Thank you for the support. Everyone was surprised, and even a
> couple of other Top 15 pilots had/were trying electrics for the Worlds. I
> was just lucky enough to have the support behind me.
> Marty P.- See Jim....
> William Harden- I understand everyone's concern of the unknown, but it was
> only going to go if it was capable of the best. It was close enough and
> with
> some hard work, I made it though it all.
> Bob P.- Pretty neat huh?
> 
> 08-08-03
> 
> Brian Young/Mike McC- I set it up like a glow motor. Had a idle cut and
> set
> the idle at about 500rpm (ok so it's slower than glow, but I didn't stop
> it). Stall turns and spin entries would have been nearly impossible with a
> stopped prop, plus downlines are too fast stopped.
> Anthony Abdullah- Thank you...LOL
> Keith Black- 2. Correct. 3. It doesn't. 5. Used one. 8. 2 connections, but
> could have been one, and other things get hotter than the connections. 11.
> Separate, dead stick. 12. Right on. 14. with-in 30 minutes, it's cool
> enough
> to charge. 16. This is a REAL concern. It'll eat you alive worse than any
> IC
> motor can. 17. Failsafe to throttle cut. 18. Well, sometimes it takes the
> hard way to learn about new things.
> Bjorn Lehnardt- It will take sometime, but they will come down.
> 
> And all of the Congrats that followed, thank you. Without you supporters,
> we
> couldn't afford to represent you at the Worlds (or at least I couldn't).
> 
> Jason
> www.jasonshulman.com
> 
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