Landing (was Re: Re: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????)

[Terry Terrenoire]

Perfectly said, Dave!

Terry T.

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:41:06 +0000 davel322 at comcast.net writes:
> Respectfully, I must disagree.
> 
> If the rules aren't being followed, they should not be eliminated.
> 
> Barrel rolls and "twinkle" rolls pretending to be snap rolls 
> routinely get 
> scored and should be zeroed.  Should we stop judging snaps?
> 
> Flopped stall turns (more than 150 degrees off in roll axis) 
> routinely are not 
> zeroed.  Should we stop judging stall turns?
> 
> Judging is not an easy task, and there will always be room for 
> improvement.  
> Where the rules are gray (no matter how clear they seemed when 
> originally 
> authored) and interpreted in various ways, there is room to clarify 
> the rules.  
> When the rules are clear and ignored, they need to be politely 
> enforced.
> 
> So far as landing - we have a system for scoring centering on 
> maneuvers and I 
> personally don't think we need something different for landing - it 
> is just an 
> additional rule that adds needless complexity (but I will follow it 
> as long as 
> it is there).  Besides, at many fields, the landing zone is never 
> marked, or 
> because of field layout, the landing zone is not used (in which case 
> landing in 
> the zone or centering of the landing would not be part of the 
> judging criteria).
> 
> Dave Lockhart
> DaveL322 at comcast.net
> > Wayne:
> > 
> > Exactly the point.  If we can't follow the rules to judge it 
> properly, maybe
> > it's time to quit judging it.  After all, this maneuver has not 
> changed
> > much, even from the early days of pattern  <VBG>  So, if we STILL 
> can't
> > judge it, let's try something else....
> > 
> > I see this problem at most all of the contests every year, 
> including the
> > NATS.  I judge Masters class, and find that many of the FAI judges 
> sitting
> > with me don't know the rules to judge it.
> > 
> > 
> > Tony Stillman
> > Radio South
> > 3702 N. Pace Blvd.
> > Pensacola, FL 32505
> > 1-800-962-7802
> > www.radiosouthrc.com
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at goodsonacura.com>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????
> > 
> > 
> > > But flight is not attainable without take off and landing.  So I 
> say keep
> > > the scoring.
> > >
> > > Take-offs optional.... landings mandatory.    The only thing I 
> saw
> 
> > > controversial about scoring takeoffs/landings is where the plane 
> lifts off
> > > and touches down.   Some would score based on how close it is to 
> the
> > center
> > > of box line.  It states that scoring is based on touchdown 
> with-in the 15
> > > meters left or right of the box center then deductions for path, 
> attitude
> > > and centering on the runway.   I know the ONLY way I could get a 
> ten is if
> > I
> > > put it right on the center line and center box with a 3 pt 
> touchdown or on
> > > the takeoff.  This was outlined by the CD at two different 
> contests to
> > score
> > > maximum points that touchdown/take off occur between the15 
> meters both
> > sides
> > > of the center of the box and still seemed to be overlooked.
> > >
> > > Don Ramsey...help me out here.
> > >
> > > Wayne G.
> > >
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