Mintor eyes only/Power wish list

Thu May 29 17:34:14 AKDT 2003

Good question! I flew on YS's for 10 years. Loved the power, got real tired
of the cost of ownership. At near $500 (140 sport) to $700 (DZ) plus exhaust
system, they just got to rich for my blood. I figured if I was going to go
over to the Dark Side and try a big block 2 stroke I'd do it as inexpensivly
as possible to see if it could be done. Well, so far it's working. We'll see
if this set can stay reliable in the long run.

Gene Maurice
gene.maurice at attbi.com
Plano, TX
AMA 3408
NSRCA 877

  -----Original Message-----
  From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On
Behalf Of Anthony Abdullah
  Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:50 PM
  To: discussion at nsrca.org
  Subject: RE: Mintor eyes only/Power wish list

  That sounds a lot like what teh ST2300 promised, but it had the one acre
head size that kind of kept it from being widely pattern user friendly or
accepted. On one hand I think we like paying too much, on the other you
trust that the majority of the pilots will use what works and is reliable.
It all makes me wonder why that is not the preferred power plant. Mind you,
I am shopping new engines and very open minded. I actually prefer two
strokes but find it hard to leave YS. There is also something to be said for
being able to borrow a header, a coupler, an O-ring, or even technical
advice at a contest, because you know that is where you will have trouble.
With those numbers why are people still paying more for the OS 140 RX?

  Gene Maurice <gene.maurice at attbi.com> wrote:
    OK, try this on for size OS160FX (< $250), Perry Regulator Pump ($27),
KM Header ($45), Mac's 15cc Quiet Pipe ($78), AFC SS double sealed bearing
($15), total cost right at $400 INCLUDING exhaust system!! NOW the kicker:
APC 17x12 standard blade (read wide) 8300 RPM (APC 16.5x13 W turns about the
same) on Magnum 15%, idles at < 1800 RPM all day long, transitions almost "4
stroke like". Though it has not been measured with a sound meter, I dont
think over the limit. If it is, a 17x13 or 17x14 would probably do the
trick.

    Gene Maurice
    gene.maurice at attbi.com
    Plano, TX
    AMA 3408
    NSRCA 877

      -----Original Message-----
      From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Anthony Abdullah
      Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:34 AM
      To: discussion at nsrca.org
      Subject: Mintor eyes only/Power wish list

      I am eagerly watching the posts on engines and am very excited about
the choices available. I must say that it says an awful lot about the YS140
DZ 4 stroke that it is even in the same power range or even superior to a
significantly larger 2 stroke. I remember back in the day that a plane that
would fly on a 60 two stroke needed at least a 90 to 120 four stroke to fly.
Boy have things changed. I am still sitting on my wallet with my fingers
crossed hoping that YS will introduce a 140 or 160 AR two stroke. Black
machined finned head and all. It will be reliable, run with the currently
available ES and other pipes, Idle smoothly, snap transition with no mixture
change at mid range, spin a 17x12 at 8400 RPMs with a flat torque curve,
have a totally linear throttle curve, and sealed bearings. All for around 4
bills.

      Then I woke up.

      "Henderson,Eric" <Eric.Henderson at gartner.com> wrote:
        In case you have had enough of this topic just hit CRTL-D

        If you have not had enough, here is today's lunch results.

        It was warm and muggy today after all of the rain. The Mintor had
the "target" 17 x 13 APC strapped on the front. With three gallons through
the engine it was time to really see what the 1.70 was made of! Engine was
set at 7,900 rpm on the ground using Powermaster 15/16. The Hydeout was
ready for the ride.

        Here's how it flew P-03, or at least a description of a few of the
maneuvers as I saw them unfold.

        Sq. loop on corner - Straight and level into the 45 climb at 1/3
throttle. Nice even pull. Increase power around the first corner to 3/4.
Perform 1/2 roll and got on to full power (WOT). Plane continues on at
slightly increased and smooth speed with the real need to back of the gas
over the top corner. Long down line 45's and the engine responds smoothly on
the bottom pullout to level. No gurgle. Upon reflection it was a big loop
before I noticed.

        Hour glass - very similar with a lot of grunt on the up 45 line.

        All vertical lines were easy with a big punch over the top of
maneuvers such as Humpty-bumps. The down lines were flown very long to look
at speed etc. The idle can be set low and it does not quit. This helped the
down lines and allowed pull-outs that did not bend the wing tubes. The idle
for spin entry was actually too low and a purr had to be added to both reach
the middle and get the nose up.

        The big test was the figure-9 with 3 x 1/2 rolls going up. An entry
at 1/4 throttle as I pushed followed by a incrementing amount of throttle as
each 1/2 roll was executed ending in full throttle over the top of the 9.
This was a big 9. Too big for good points but just right for free adrenaline
shots!

        So how does it (1.70) compare with the OS 1.60. About 200 rpm less
on the ground but 4.0 oz lighter. Vertical behavior very similar between
equal weighted planes.

        So how about the DZ. In the same plane it was clear that the DZ had
the edge in the mid range grunt-dept. Vertical snap rolls were equal however
in vertical line recovery.

        In the end it comes down to probably five things. Price,
Serviceability, Reliability, weight and price. Depending upon what you need
you can chose the performance of a 2-c or a 4-c the personal taste of sound
and throttle timing.

        I would run all three for equal fun, but as far as price goes, (The
OS in this case is an FI), the Mintor has a big edge.

        Regards,

        Eric.

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