F3A Biplanes have a future!

[Peter Pennisi]

What impressed me the most about the version I saw was the way it
stall-turned. It went up and down the same line and rotated beautifully
around it's CG with a tremendous amount of authority. The owner said it
would probably do square knife-edge loops.


Peter Pennisi
Pentagon Systems
P.O Box 4280
Eight Mile Plains
QLD 4113
Australia
Phone:    61+0738414234
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Email: pentagon.systems at bigpond.com


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On Behalf Of Henderson,Eric
Sent: Wednesday, 14 May 2003 23:37 PM
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Try putting two in the van.... (VBG)

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[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of John Ferrell
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:36 AM
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Many vehicals will accept a fully assembled Bipe.
Disadvantage becmes an advantage...

John Ferrell
6241 Phillippi Rd
Julian NC 27283
Phone: (336)685-9606
johnferrell at earthlink.net
Dixie Competition Products
NSRCA 479 AMA 4190  W8CCW
"My Competition is Not My Enemy"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Henderson,Eric" <Eric.Henderson at gartner.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:13 AM
Subject: RE: F3A Biplanes have a future!


The only snag that I have found with bi-planes is the assembly at the
field! Four ailerons?  wing struts? etc. I sold a very good flying
Ultimate and the 16 screws it took to assemble! I prefer one wing screw
and two aileron leads ....Hmmmmm.... can I adapt???

Regards,

Eric.



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[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Adam Glatt
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 1:15 AM
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That makes three (publically known) biplane projects going on right now.
Just when you think you've got the best.... ;>  Time to spend more
money.

I'm rather torn on this biplane issue.  Should FAI add a new rule that
outlaws them?  On one hand, I'm sure they will improve our flights, but
on the other I don't want them to be advantage over the planes we have
now. Kind of like changing the 2m size limit to 2.5m.  The guys with the
big factories behind them will have an advantage, while the rest of us
will be alienated.  Going to biplanes might be no different than going
to 2.5m, only it isn't against the rules.  Or, it might be like the
switch to 2m planes from the .60 planes.  I would hate to go back to a
0.60 after flying a 2m.

That said, I want a biplane.  I do expect they will fly better, which is
certainly a good thing, and someone has to develop them before I get to
fly it.

Still divided, but practicing as much as possible anyways,
Adam Glatt

----- Original Message -----
From: "PENNISI Peter" <Peter.Pennisi at publicworks.qld.gov.au>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: May 12, 2003 8:17 PM
Subject: F3A Biplanes have a future!


>
> Hi all,
>
>
> I had to opportunity to watch a F3A biplane fly for a short while in 
> the hands of a very capable pilot last weekend. The model was built by

> a local kit manufacturer who adapted a set of wings to Carrera 2000 
> (Designed by Peter Goldsmith)as an experiment.
>
> The model was flown briefly through the P03 schedule until an 
> unfortunate problem resulted in the model having to land minus wings 
> on one side of
the
> fuse (More on that later) Anyway the flight looked very impressive 
> especially in the broader speed envelope the model was capable of 
> flying
in.
> The model was powered with a YS140DZ and weighed about 10.5pounds.
>
> The very experienced F3A pilot commented how impressed he was with the
model
> and felt it was already better than his current monoplane. Particular 
> comments he made was that it spins, stall turns and rolls great snaps
would
> have been great until half the wing was ripped off as a result of 
> overstressing.
>
> What this pilot did as the wings tore off was truly impressive. With 
> the wings completely ripped off from one side of the fuse he had the
initiative
> to throttle up and fly the model in knife-edge and fly it around to 
> make a crash landing approach. The end result was a few scratches to 
> the fuse and
a
> broken prop. This was one of the most impressive things I have seen.
>
> It is a pity I didn't have my video camera with me as it certainly 
> would have been great to see over and over again.
>
> I was very sceptical about F3A biplanes in Pattern until I saw this 
> model fly on the weekend. I have no doubt that will be taken seriously

> at the
next
> world champs.
>
> Follow this link to view the model prior to it crashing.
>
> http://www.qpfa.org.au/neil/a_couple_of_stories_from_behind_.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter

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