intermediate 402 rolling suggestions

Fri Jun 27 06:53:58 AKDT 2003

Let me suggest another approach.  Don't practice 1 or 2 rolls, practice
"rolling" across the sky.  Pick a roll rate that you can time the elevator
and start at one end of the box and do 4, 5, 6 rolls or something. It
doesn't have to be pretty, just get used to rolling the plane.  Then, start
to straighten it out.  Once you learn how to "straighten" it out, you'll
also be able to time it a little early or late to bring "in" or "out" the
whole rolling sequence.  

Start 3 mistakes high, and roll end to end, continuously.  

Same with two loops.  If two loops are killing you, get to where you can do
3 or 4 loops.  That way, when you only have to do two, you'll think its
easy!!
Jim W.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott McNaught [mailto:scott.mcnaught at sympatico.ca] 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:29 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions

Hello Jim,

I am currently practicing the two rolls in the intermidiate pattern. I am
using elevator through my rolls, my problem is the timming of the elevator
and the amount which increases on the second roll as your speed decreases.

Scott McNaught
----- Original Message -----
From: "D Suding" <junk at velocitus.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Cc: <jivey61 at msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions

> Jim-
>
> You are correct.  But even the guys with balanced planes were ALL OVER the
> sky on those rolls. I was watching their elevator input, and I thought
> that this was a universal problem with the Intermediate guys.
>
> Even with a perfectly balanced plane, you're going to have to add
> elevator, down-up-down-up.  But my point is to not let that elevator input
> throw you off course. I like to call it a "blip" of elevator.
>
> I would love to hear from an Intermediate pilot that goes out to the field
> tonight and tries it. Make sure you are flying high enough that a mistake
> isn't going to crash you.
>
> -Dennis
>
> > Dennis
> >  These guys are flying nose heavy airplanes. If they would balance the
> > planes so that they are as neutral upright as inverted, or very near
> > as. The majority of the would go away.
> >
> > Jim Ivey
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: D Suding
> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:54 PM
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Cc: randy10926 at comcast.net
> > Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions
> >
> > I noticed something in the Intermediate class while I was judging in
> > Albuquerque. The two horizontal rolls looked bad even when performed by
> > the best pilots. I think I know why.
> >
> > First, you can't just throw the stick to the right or left and wait for
> > plane to roll 720 degrees. It will lose too much altitude.  You need
> > elevator.
> >
> > Second, you don't start feeding the elevator when the plane gets past 90
> > degrees. This will make the plane cork-screw.  I kept seeing this.  The
> > plane would roll 90 degrees, and the pilot would feed some elevator,
> > increasing as it went to 180, then decreasing as it followed through to
> > 270 and so on.
> >
> > Here's what you do:
> >
> > 1) Find a roll rate that takes about 1.5 seconds to roll 360 degrees.
> >
> > 2) Here's the trick: DON'T ADD ANY ELEVATOR EXCEPT AT 180 and 360
> > DEGREES!!!!! When the plane gets to 180, give it a SHORT, SHARP down
> > elevator to pitch the nose up to level. Then at 360 degrees, give it a
> > SHORT, SHARP up elevator to pitch the nose up again.
> >
> > Of course, to get picky, you actually start feeding elevator at ~175
> > degrees, but the key is to really limit the duration of the elevator
> > input so that your purpose is to correct for the effects of gravity
> > only.
> >
> > 3) Practice one thousand times.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > -Dennis
> >
> >
> >
> >> Yes you start with a half roll and end with a half roll.  The inverted
> >> flight should be centered in the box and last at least 4 seconds.
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "kyle d." <baseballstar2 at cfl.rr.com>
> >> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 11:02 am
> >> Subject: intermediate 402
> >>
> >>> Can anybody go through all the manevers. I really dont get the
> >>> striet in verted flight do u do a half roll then do another half
> >>> roll. because u are coming out of a split S. Or can u fint the
> >>> drawings for these maneuvers
> >>>
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