intermediate 402 rolling suggestions

[jim ivey]

Scott
 I previously replied --  to slow the roll speed down so that you have time to judge how much elevator is necessary to hold the plane level. When you do this the airspeed will not fall of so much, and will help your problem. I also found that, when I was learning this maneuver, if I flew the plane away from me as viewed from the rear, I could see how much elevator it took to maintain a straight line, during the rolls. Be careful doing this because the plane can leave you pretty quick. If you'r guttsy turn the plane around and do it on the way back to you. This helped my timing also.
I don't want to get to far ahead of you but, when doing the rolls slow if you change you timing so that the peak elevator is at 45 Degrees both up and down you can make the plane do a 180 deg circle. This is not a pretty maneuver but it is good practice for timing the elevator. This also teaches how to move the rolls in or out on the horizontal line. If you have a crooked entry line to the rolls and you do this to correct the flight path so that the exit line is straight and parallel to the runway, a good judge will see this. I have no thoughts what the score would be. If it's windy and other factors are there you might not get penalized for it. The main thing is   you did correct the faulty entry line.
Hope I didn't confuse you.  

Jim Ivey


----- Original Message -----
From: Scott McNaught
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 5:30 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions

Hello Jim,

I am currently practicing the two rolls in the intermidiate pattern. I am
using elevator through my rolls, my problem is the timming of the elevator
and the amount which increases on the second roll as your speed decreases.

Scott McNaught
----- Original Message -----
From: "D Suding" <junk at velocitus.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Cc: <jivey61 at msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions


> Jim-
>
> You are correct.  But even the guys with balanced planes were ALL OVER the
> sky on those rolls. I was watching their elevator input, and I thought
> that this was a universal problem with the Intermediate guys.
>
> Even with a perfectly balanced plane, you're going to have to add
> elevator, down-up-down-up.  But my point is to not let that elevator input
> throw you off course. I like to call it a "blip" of elevator.
>
> I would love to hear from an Intermediate pilot that goes out to the field
> tonight and tries it. Make sure you are flying high enough that a mistake
> isn't going to crash you.
>
> -Dennis
>
> > Dennis
> >  These guys are flying nose heavy airplanes. If they would balance the
> > planes so that they are as neutral upright as inverted, or very near
> > as. The majority of the would go away.
> >
> > Jim Ivey
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: D Suding
> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:54 PM
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Cc: randy10926 at comcast.net
> > Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions
> >
> > I noticed something in the Intermediate class while I was judging in
> > Albuquerque. The two horizontal rolls looked bad even when performed by
> > the best pilots. I think I know why.
> >
> > First, you can't just throw the stick to the right or left and wait for
> > plane to roll 720 degrees. It will lose too much altitude.  You need
> > elevator.
> >
> > Second, you don't start feeding the elevator when the plane gets past 90
> > degrees. This will make the plane cork-screw.  I kept seeing this.  The
> > plane would roll 90 degrees, and the pilot would feed some elevator,
> > increasing as it went to 180, then decreasing as it followed through to
> > 270 and so on.
> >
> > Here's what you do:
> >
> > 1) Find a roll rate that takes about 1.5 seconds to roll 360 degrees.
> >
> > 2) Here's the trick: DON'T ADD ANY ELEVATOR EXCEPT AT 180 and 360
> > DEGREES!!!!! When the plane gets to 180, give it a SHORT, SHARP down
> > elevator to pitch the nose up to level. Then at 360 degrees, give it a
> > SHORT, SHARP up elevator to pitch the nose up again.
> >
> > Of course, to get picky, you actually start feeding elevator at ~175
> > degrees, but the key is to really limit the duration of the elevator
> > input so that your purpose is to correct for the effects of gravity
> > only.
> >
> > 3) Practice one thousand times.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > -Dennis
> >
> >
> >
> >> Yes you start with a half roll and end with a half roll.  The inverted
> >> flight should be centered in the box and last at least 4 seconds.
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "kyle d." <baseballstar2 at cfl.rr.com>
> >> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 11:02 am
> >> Subject: intermediate 402
> >>
> >>> Can anybody go through all the manevers. I really dont get the
> >>> striet in verted flight do u do a half roll then do another half
> >>> roll. because u are coming out of a split S. Or can u fint the
> >>> drawings for these maneuvers
> >>>
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