intermediate 402 rolling suggestions

[Scott McNaught]

Hello Jim,

I am currently practicing the two rolls in the intermidiate pattern. I am
using elevator through my rolls, my problem is the timming of the elevator
and the amount which increases on the second roll as your speed decreases.

Scott McNaught
----- Original Message -----
From: "D Suding" <junk at velocitus.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Cc: <jivey61 at msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions


> Jim-
>
> You are correct.  But even the guys with balanced planes were ALL OVER the
> sky on those rolls. I was watching their elevator input, and I thought
> that this was a universal problem with the Intermediate guys.
>
> Even with a perfectly balanced plane, you're going to have to add
> elevator, down-up-down-up.  But my point is to not let that elevator input
> throw you off course. I like to call it a "blip" of elevator.
>
> I would love to hear from an Intermediate pilot that goes out to the field
> tonight and tries it. Make sure you are flying high enough that a mistake
> isn't going to crash you.
>
> -Dennis
>
> > Dennis
> >  These guys are flying nose heavy airplanes. If they would balance the
> > planes so that they are as neutral upright as inverted, or very near
> > as. The majority of the would go away.
> >
> > Jim Ivey
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: D Suding
> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:54 PM
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Cc: randy10926 at comcast.net
> > Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions
> >
> > I noticed something in the Intermediate class while I was judging in
> > Albuquerque. The two horizontal rolls looked bad even when performed by
> > the best pilots. I think I know why.
> >
> > First, you can't just throw the stick to the right or left and wait for
> > plane to roll 720 degrees. It will lose too much altitude.  You need
> > elevator.
> >
> > Second, you don't start feeding the elevator when the plane gets past 90
> > degrees. This will make the plane cork-screw.  I kept seeing this.  The
> > plane would roll 90 degrees, and the pilot would feed some elevator,
> > increasing as it went to 180, then decreasing as it followed through to
> > 270 and so on.
> >
> > Here's what you do:
> >
> > 1) Find a roll rate that takes about 1.5 seconds to roll 360 degrees.
> >
> > 2) Here's the trick: DON'T ADD ANY ELEVATOR EXCEPT AT 180 and 360
> > DEGREES!!!!! When the plane gets to 180, give it a SHORT, SHARP down
> > elevator to pitch the nose up to level. Then at 360 degrees, give it a
> > SHORT, SHARP up elevator to pitch the nose up again.
> >
> > Of course, to get picky, you actually start feeding elevator at ~175
> > degrees, but the key is to really limit the duration of the elevator
> > input so that your purpose is to correct for the effects of gravity
> > only.
> >
> > 3) Practice one thousand times.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > -Dennis
> >
> >
> >
> >> Yes you start with a half roll and end with a half roll.  The inverted
> >> flight should be centered in the box and last at least 4 seconds.
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "kyle d." <baseballstar2 at cfl.rr.com>
> >> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 11:02 am
> >> Subject: intermediate 402
> >>
> >>> Can anybody go through all the manevers. I really dont get the
> >>> striet in verted flight do u do a half roll then do another half
> >>> roll. because u are coming out of a split S. Or can u fint the
> >>> drawings for these maneuvers
> >>>
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