FW: Snap rolls (long)

[Rick Wallace]

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Wallace [mailto:rickwallace45 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 6:16 AM
To: ''
Subject: RE: Snap rolls (long)

 

Kudos to Earl for bringing this up, especially just before Muncie!
Excellent! 

 

I'm new at the snapping game, but isn't the nature of the yaw and roll
CAUSED by the stalled attitude?? (Witness the behavior of a plane too
low and slow on takeoff or landing - seems like the wing drop we've all
seen there is a function of a stalled attitude) 

 

So it seems like the 'simultantous autorotation' must occur - just like
a plane that drops a wing - stalls- on a slow landing - and it must
occur AFTER the elevator breaks (stalls) the plane in pitch.

 

 

Like Steve Maxwell says, my best (?) snaps happen when the elevator is
applied FIRST, followed by the other controls. 

 

Rick Wallace

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Weimer, Claude
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 2:41 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: RE: Snap rolls (long)

 

Are we trying to read more into judging criteria than is there?  The
rulebook says simultaneous and I'm not sure the interpretation means the
stall has to come before pitch and roll. It seems to me the stall is
caused by the change in pitch regardless if yaw and roll are applied at
the same time.   

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Patternrules at aol.com [mailto:Patternrules at aol.com]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:53 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: Snap rolls (long)

 

Rule book page 78
Snaps-----A snap is a simultaneous, rapid autorotation in pitch, yaw and
roll axes of flight in a stalled wing attitude. The following criteria
apply:

OK now here's where Earls explanation comes in: and he is correct, now
it seems that some wording is off in the rules the word simultaneous
should not be there as in the next sentence it clearly says that
(initiated by a rapid stall of the wing induced by a change in pitch
attitude) this tells me I have been doing this wrong all the time and
need to do some work on this maneuver.

An old fossil head like me it is much easier to do all the sticks at one
time, what I have always looked for is like the description on the snip,
a cone and it is pretty easy to see when someone is rolling out of the
maneuver instead of snapping all the way though. So now all that is left
is to try and get these old hands and mind to relearn something in 3
weeks, and review the judging tape another time.


Thanks
Steve Maxwell

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