Calling Maneuvers for Judges

[Gray E Fowler]

Tony

I was the one flying when this happened. When I heard the judge say " 
isn't he supposed to be inverted" both myself and my caller Lance said 
"no" in unison. During the flight I think two more judge "questions" arose 
where upon I almost missed a downwind centered maneuver because my caller 
was again straightening out judge confusion. Frankly I felt like landing. 
I really do not know how this could have been fixed after the fact unless 
I re-flew the entire pattern.  Considering that I am a very bad Advanced 
guy I am no where near winning anything  so it did not matter. To 
alleviate this problem on the next rounds both myself and Lance started 
calling out the entire  maneuver loud enough for the judges to know that 
there is both a stall turn with and without half rolls and when I was 
supposed to be inverted. 
These judges were club guys who got the intense training session prior to 
the contest. They were trying their best to do it right, and were just 
confused-no reason to get mad. What I think this underscores the most is 
that we as Pattern dudes are by far the most qualified to judge ourselves, 
yet no one wants to judge- or it appears no one wants to judge at the 
contests, yet we are willing to let the local sport flyers give us all 8 
,9 and 10's no matter how bad it is, not know when to zero, look down 
during the maneuver, etc. 
Here's a vote for contestant judging!

By the way on that same flight.....When Lance was dealing with the judges 
I "thought" the next maneuver was the triangle so I pulled up at center to 
45 degrees, the got the proper maneuver, leveled out and proceeded with a 
quick slow roll that missed center by 2.2 counties, one judge gave me a 6 
the other an 8, which should have been a 0. Now there is an argument that 
I should have this stupid pattern memorized for my own benefit.



Gray Fowler
Principal Chemical Engineer
Composites Engineering




"Tony Stillman" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
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Keith:

I wouldn't say anything during the flight.  Take it to the cheif judge or 
CD
after the flight and let  them get it straightened out.

Tony Stillman
Radio South
3702 N. Pace Blvd.
Pensacola, FL 32505
1-800-962-7802
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Black" <tkeithb at attbi.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: Calling Maneuvers for Judges


> How about when you hear the judge say something like "isn't he supposed 
to
> be inverted", and you're not. This happen to one of the pilots two or
three
> times in the *same* flight at one contest I attended. Obviously that's
very
> distracting to the pilot and caller.
>
> Question, if you hear this from the judges should you respond verbally?
> Seems like this level of confusion would totally blow the whole flight.
What
> would be the proper protocol for the pilot during and after the flight 
if
> something like this occurs?
>
> Keith Black
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Lockhart" <ronlock at comcast.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Calling Maneuvers for Judges
>
>
> > Adding the function of calling in a manner suitable
> > for judging can be a distraction from 'Caller for Pilot'
> > duties.  It's not desirable, but the realities of
> > contest manpower sometimes require it.
> >
> > Even more distracting is (have you been there as a
> > pilot or caller?) hearing a scribe call maneuvers
> > late or early...and ya hope the judge isn't
> > listening. <VBG>
> >
> > Ron Lockhart
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: WHIP23 at aol.com
> > Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:29 am
> > Subject: Re: Wrong Maneuver issues
> >
> > > In a message dated 6/11/03 8:12:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > Patternrules at aol.com writes:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Personally I like it when the caller calls the maneuvers loud
> > > enough for the
> > > > judges to hear, then I don't need a scribe just a blank paper,
> > > then
> > > > transcribe the # after the flight.
> > > >
> > > > Steve Maxwell
> > >
> > > I agree, with the caller calling the maneuvers loud enough for the
> > > judges to
> > > hear, but I have found that there is a lot of resistance to this
> > > proceedure.
> > > I've always viewed presenting the sequence such that the judges
> > > could judge
> > > it, easily and correctly as part of the "job" and the caller can
> > > contribute to
> > > that to a large degree, by calling the maneuvers such that there
> > > is no
> > > confusion.  I will also point out that I have nearly been lynched
> > > for this position,
> > > on occasion :-)
> > >
> > > This otta' get some action going on the list (flame suit on, bring 
it)
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> >
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