-Pattern IMAC combined - organizational unity.

[Henderson,Eric]

I got to judge Unlimited and the FAI in the space of a few days. Both are smooth and both are very hard to do well. The 10 degree rule kept me on my mathematical toes because the 15 degree rule was sort of automatic in my head. 

What I saw was that he scale maneuvers were more compound and thus you lost more points on a turnaround than we lose on a difficult center maneuver.

Now for a risky political statement.

I don't believe in mixing the classes but I do believe in having one organization for RC Aerobatics that has SPA, IMAC and NSRCA as sub-groups. It would solve so many things without detracting from their individuality. I know how it broke up before and why and who the players and egos were. By keeping them intact but coordinated we would have a much better form of representation to the AMA and the outside world.

By not being in office I am relieved of the pressure of "Keeping everyone happy" or dealing with dissent based on resistance to change from conservative headsets. I am not, however trying to make any of you unhappy, far from it, but I do see a MASSIVE need for all segments to grow or perish.

Regards,

Eric

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Terry Brox
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 1:19 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: FAI F3AL---Pattern IMAC combined


I flew at the first contest and can say I enjoyed it and learned alot. Some
interesting comments I hear though, from a few of the IMAC guys: "These
pattern guys are judging too harsh". "Those pattern guys are smooth". "These
guys fly the same schedule for 4 years?" "Where is your cockpit?" "I have
never given so many 10's at a contest in my life." All made by IMAC flyers
at this contest. I can say with certainty that I enjoyed the contest a lot.
First of all, I never received so many 10's. And I learned a lot. The IMAC
guys and the pattern guys got along great, and of course teased each other.
It was a great time and I will not hessitate to go again provided work
doesnt interfere. Troy and Bruce did an incredible job along with Jim
McManus who helped to coordinate the IMAC portion (if I got the right name).
I believe Jim gave a report the Troy put in the K Factor when Troy was AVP
for Dist. 6. Just my positive experience. However, I would not care to see
the 2 combined beyond what was done at this contest. Good Night, Terry
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Troy Newman" <troy_newman at msn.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: FAI F3AL---Pattern IMAC combined


> I would say the answer is no!...but on the other hand the way we ran
it...it
> was a round of pattern then a round of IMAC the pattern flyers judged the
> IMAC guys and vice versa...so no the two different models were not in the
> air at the same time.
>
> Nor would they need to be in the air at the same time...routine situation
is
> F3A and Masters don't fly at the same time. So why would IMAC and pattern
> need to fly at the same time...by the way we ended at a decent time of day
> on Sunday completed 5 rounds and held a Free-style event that was open to
> both Pattern and IMAC pilots....with the pattern and or IMAC models.
>
>
> Worked very well.
>
> Troy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tony Stillman" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: FAI F3AL---Pattern IMAC combined
>
>
> > Isn't there a much bigger risk of mid-airs when you have a giant scale
> > airplane in the same "box" as an F3A model?
> >
> > Tony Stillman
> > Radio South
> > 3702 N. Pace Blvd.
> > Pensacola, FL 32505
> > 1-800-962-7802
> > www.radiosouthrc.com
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Marty Pizzitola" <aerobatx at bellsouth.net>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: FAI F3AL---Pattern IMAC combined
> >
> >
> > > IMAC and Pattern are 2 completely different flying styles. To hae a
> > contest
> > > like Try was talking about with IMAC judgeing pattern and visa versa,
> WOW.
> > > Most IMAC pilots have trouble flying a straight line much less
judgeing
> a
> > > masters and FAI group in pattern. I would be affraid the scoring would
> > > really be screwed up. I know there are a handfull for Pilots that
cross
> > > over, but we are talking about local contest, not Nats.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Woodward James R Civ 412 TW/DRP/ACQ"
> > <James.Woodward2 at edwards.af.mil>
> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:49 AM
> > > Subject: RE: FAI F3AL---Pattern IMAC combined
> > >
> > >
> > > > I think that if a "run-what-you-brung" rule is imposed and IMAC and
> > > Pattern
> > > > are ran in the same contest sometimes, I would still enter.
However,
> > the
> > > > IMAC guys don't use a box (or is it 180 degrees, 100' away?).  The
> idea
> > of
> > > > competing with my pattern plane against a 40% plane doesn't bother
me
> > > > because I'm confident with it.  However, I think the IMAC guys would
> be
> > > > hugely against that because it is not "scale'ish" in design.
> > > >
> > > > An open aerobatic competition, schedules with whatever plane you
want
> to
> > > > fly, is appealing to me.
> > > > 0.01 cent worth.
> > > > Jim W.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jon Uhler [mailto:juhler at bellsouth.net]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:27 AM
> > > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > Subject: re: FAI F3AL---Pattern IMAC combined
> > > >
> > > > Troy (look, I got your name right!),
> > > >
> > > > This by far is the best approach that I have seen, to date in this
> list.
> > > I
> > > > am very interested in hearing your ideas on combining IMAC and
> Pattern.
> > I
> > > > don't understand the need for people to bash one area of a hobby
just
> > > cause
> > > > they don't participate in it.  I am not a fisherman, but do bass
> > fisherman
> > > > bash fly fisherman?  Using the RC example I guess they do.....
> > > >
> > > > I would be willing to help, in any way, in promoting the joint
effort.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Jon
> > > >
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