FAI F3AL---Pattern IMAC combined

[Henderson,Eric]

Ed,
    I know what you are talking about. Switching from one to another a week apart takes some adjusting. The available "big-pipe-type-cans" and headers easily take the noise way down. Guys like you are not the problem. In fact I personally know of a bunch of loud flying planes that operate outside of the IMAC organization that bring IMAC unfairly into disrepute. We label things to readily because it takes a lot of typing to be exactly exact!

Regards,

Eric.

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From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ed Deaver
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 11:37 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: re: FAI F3AL---Pattern IMAC combined


Several thoughts here.

1)  My 37% Extra and Oly Medal fly entirely differently.  It takes me a 
solid week to acclimate from one to the other, as I prepare for a contest.  
Trying to fly both, WELL, the same day, with different sequences is 
impossible for me.  And I believe for most.  So the idea of competing in 
both disciplines the same day is out for me.

2)  A contest with one different schedule, for 4-5 classes allowing a 2 
Meter plane to fly against a 40% plane would be fine and is on the surface a 
good idea.  Sadly, I have seen this happen with the pattern plane 
discriminated against due to size.  To be fair, it would have to be drummed 
into the judges head to judge the flight, not the airplane.  Of course this 
is already a factor in IMAC.

3)  Personally believe there is room for both disciplines.

4)  My 3W150 is as quiet in the air as my YS140DZ, so noise can be 
addressed.

5)  If someone is wanting to fly freestyle, then go to the IMAC contest, or 
look for an Artistic Aerobatic contest(few around though)

6)  Lastly, there is a false impression about IMAC being jerky.  If anyone 
watches the winners in IMAC, they fly like pattern pilots, very smooth 
graceful and with great symmetry, but a few more snaps.  The good pilots in 
each class fly straight lines and center their manuevers, as the rules 
indicate(at least try as much as pattern pilots)

Just some thoughts.

ed


>From: Jon Uhler <juhler at bellsouth.net>
>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>Subject: re: FAI F3AL---Pattern IMAC combined
>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:45:35 -0400
>
> >Most IMAC pilots have trouble flying a straight line much less judgeing a
> > masters and FAI group in pattern.
>
> > over, but we are talking about local contest, not Nats.
>
>Marty,
>
>I'd be the first to say that I am a rookie in both IMAC and Pattern.  But 
>so far it as been my experience that IMAC judging is much more consistent 
>than pattern.  I was scored a "0" and "8.5" on the same looping maneuver at 
>a contest. Now I know that as long as humans are judging, there will be 
>differences, but 0 to 8.5 is a lot.
>
>Also, I went to the NATS this year and watched Intermediate, Advance, 
>Masters, and FAI.  With the exception of the FAI, I'd say several pattern 
>fliers can't fly a straight line either (and this was not a local contest, 
>but the NATS).  I really don't see what the big deal is about the NATS 
>anyway.  Do you have to qualify to make the NATS or just pay your $90 
>bucks?  There are several of us, IAMC and Pattern boys alike, that need to 
>work on flying straight lines.
>
>IMAC is at least making an effort with the judging issue by having judge 
>seminars around the country.  They are very informative and worth while.  
>The only effort that I have seen in the pattern world is the judging tape 
>that I borrowed from a friend.  The tape, in my opinion, was not very clear 
>cut on scoring and I think it shows in the results that I have seen at a 
>contest.
>
>Once again, I will say that I have only been to one contest and wish to 
>gain more info as time goes on.
>
>So far I love the beauty, learning curve, and friendship offered by both 
>groups, but I have to say, the mentality, living in the past attitude, us 
>VRS them, and bashing is making it hard enjoy both.
>
>Jon
>
>
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