Fuel Question... Why the metal cans?

Mon Jul 7 07:55:13 AKDT 2003

A good argument for plastic jugs.........If you have a fire and have metal 
cans ...the cans will remain and your insurance company will give you 
grief (thats their job)....if you have plastic jugs all the evidence will 
melt and burn away.  Methanol is not nearly as volatile as gasoline, and 
therefore is harder to light by flame and really tough by spark. Nitro 
even harder (ever seen a top fuel dragster spitting fuel out the exhaust 
cuz one cylinder would not light). All the gasoline, and paint solvents 
are much worse, and frankly if you have a fire in your house big enough to 
melt and light a jug of fuel (aint gonna explode in a jug) you are toast 
anyway.......and so is your house...with or without the fuel.....the fuel 
just "accelerates" the whole situation.
As far as the furnace dude saying it was a bomb....no offense to furnace 
dudes but I would trust the opinion of a dishwasher repairman more, 
because everyone knows they are much more educated on the flash points of 
solvents than furnace guys are-right? 
The world is full of stupid inconsistent legalistic crap. All sorts of 
chemicals have been regulated or eliminated because thay are deemed 
"carcinogenic", yet gasoline is not.......which has a fair portion of 
benzene it it which is garaunteed cancer....the public cannot buy benzene 
for this reason yet everytime you fill up your car you breath benzene. 

In short plastic jugs are fine, just do not store next to your furnace, 
BBQ pit, hot water heater, etc. How many homes burned down last year due 
to model airplane fuel vs. Christmas trees? Yet no one bans lights an 
Christmas trees now do they?????

Gray Fowler
Principal Chemical Engineer
Composites Engineering

"spbyrum" <spbyrum at hiwaay.net>
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        Subject:        RE: Fuel Question... Why the metal cans?

Don't Ask, don't tell.  Especially your wife.  The guy who service our
furnace several years ago told my wife I was keeping a bomb in the
basement after he saw a jug of fuel.  It took quite a bit of talking to
fix that one.

-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Anthony Romano
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 9:43 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: RE: Fuel Question... Why the metal cans?

A local hobby shop owner told me he was limited by the local fire
marshal in 
how much fuel he could keep in the store. Anyone know any easy, 
inconspicuous way to check this for a residence?

Anthony

>From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>Subject: RE: Fuel Question... Why the metal cans?
>Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 21:50:52 -0400
>
>Shipping in quarts will allow you to ship UPS without the $5/gal
haz-mat 
>fee.  Most of the time though the fuel is shipped by motor freight,
which 
>has similar regs, but different fees.  If you're shipping more than 
>#200lbs, (roughly 40gal), it's much cheaper to go freight.
>
>Non of these were PowerMasters motivation though...it was simply the
fire 
>code issues.  They spent considerable money revamping their assemblys
to 
>fit the cans from the jugs.  All cost they would have preferred to
skip. 
>The benefits of size and packing just made the move more palatible.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:           T&C Brown [mailto:tncbrown at charter.net]
>Sent:           Sun 7/6/2003 10:34 PM
>To:             discussion at nsrca.org
>Cc:
>Subject:                Re: Fuel Question... Why the metal cans?
>
>I believe Red Max shipped fuel in quarts is because of the Haz-mat
dilemma. 
>  But I could be mistaken.  Also, at one time, Power Master was doing
it as 
>well.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: RUDDERCABL at aol.com
>   To: discussion at nsrca.org
>   Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 8:06 PM
>   Subject: Re: Fuel Question... Why the metal cans?
>
>
>   In a message dated 7/6/2003 5:30:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
>ArestiPattern at aol.com writes:
>
>
>     Added benefit to cans........UV protection, and Powermaster ships
6 
>gallons to a case instead of 4 of the plastic bottles.
>
>
>
>
>      I believe that you have hit on one of the real reasons why the
can . 
>Becouse of the shape of the cans , more fuel can be shipped in the same

>size or slightly larger box. Much money is saved on shipping one box 
>instead of two and the manufactor sells more fuel to the case.  Red Max
was 
>doing the same thing using quart size bottles and shipping five gallons
to 
>the case .
>
>      Over the last few years , myself and a couple of other flyers
have 
>been buying fuel by the drum . We tap the drum and pour all the fuel
off 
>into jugs at one time . Never had any problems with the fuel in four
years 
>of doing this .
>
>   Robert Gainey
>
>
>
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