Snaps

[John Ferrell]

Finally, someone I can agree with! 
All acceptable snaps do not look alike.
If you are going to the trouble of doing a video, it would make more sense to me to show what is NOT acceptable. 

John Ferrell 
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Del Rykert 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 4:14 PM
  Subject: Re: Snaps


  IMHO,  when said video is finished it has to show an accurate fair showing of the different visual images that are acceptable and possibly what's not so as to not slight those whose planes do a proper maneuver but visually appears different. E.G. Bipe vs. Low wing vs. 60 sized model.

       Del K. Rykert
       AMA - 8928 
       NSRCA - 473
       Kb2joi - General 


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Bill Glaze 
    To: discussion at nsrca.org 
    Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 7:31 AM
    Subject: Re: Snaps


    Thanks, Tony, I had wondered about what had happened.  A video like this could be very beneficial, but could also be hard to produce.  Another organization of which I was a board member, had a commercial company video a judges seminar, and a field session of flying.  The tape cost the organization $500, and was nearly worthless.  Lesson learned. 
    I hope a tape of parallel quality to the existing NSRCA tape on judging, can be produced. 
    Bill Glaze 

    Tony Stillman wrote: 

       Bill: Some funding had been approved and budgeted for, but the actual video turned out much harder to make than was originally expected. This issue will be discussed in the Annual NSRCA Board Meeting at the Nats next week. Tony Stillman 
      Radio South 
      3702 N. Pace Blvd. 
      Pensacola, FL 32505 
      1-800-962-7802 
      www.radiosouthrc.com 
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Bill Glaze
        To: discussion at nsrca.org
        Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:22 PM
        Subject: Re: Snaps
         It seems to me that the NSRCA was working on a spin/snaproll video last year.  It mad a splash on this group, and then faded into oblivion.  Anybody remember it?  Or know what happened to it? 
        Bill Glaze 

        Mike Turgeman wrote: 

          I agree with you. That's why I think a video will help all of us to understand the discussed issues better. I hope that there will be more than one video clip.The main thing I would like to here comments about is the amount of attitude change needed during the snap. Obviously the airplane must be stalled but no one is flying with AOA sensor on board so the pilot and the judges have to estimate the stall visually. I am interested to see what they expect and how they estimate it.Mike 
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Del Rykert
            To: discussion at nsrca.org
            Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 4:13 AM
            Subject: Re: Re:Snaps
             Good idea Mike but I have found video can sometimes be misleading as different aircraft present so differently in some ways regarding the snap. This thread has helped show just how challenging it is to judge and fly correctly.      Del K. Rykert 
                 AMA - 8928 
                 NSRCA - 473 
                 Kb2joi - General 
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Mike Turgeman
              To: discussion at nsrca.org
              Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:33 AM
              Subject: Re:Snaps
               Hi all,Very interesting discussion on a very important issue. As Earl mentioned sometimes a good snap is misjudged because we are used to see the bad one. I think so too. Most of the judges expect too much attitude change and score zero for snaps with small attitude change because they consider it as an axial roll.Maybe someone could post a short video that demonstrate how a real 1 1/2 snap should look like.Mike Turgeman
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