Snaps

[Tony Stillman]

NSRCA was offered the professional services of Jay Gerber (NFL Films, who made the Judging Video).  Jay said he would help, if we were interested, but he had done several test videos over the years with production quality cameras, and found if very difficult to capture a model on film to show details that we were looking for.  The major problem is getting a background so that you can evaluate deviations.  

Jay told me he would do anything to help us, so maybe something will come of it.  It is up for discussion at our board meeting at the Nats....

Tony Stillman
Radio South
3702 N. Pace Blvd.
Pensacola, FL 32505
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bill Glaze 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 9:31 AM
  Subject: Re: Snaps


  Thanks, Tony, I had wondered about what had happened.  A video like this could be very beneficial, but could also be hard to produce.  Another organization of which I was a board member, had a commercial company video a judges seminar, and a field session of flying.  The tape cost the organization $500, and was nearly worthless.  Lesson learned. 
  I hope a tape of parallel quality to the existing NSRCA tape on judging, can be produced. 
  Bill Glaze 

  Tony Stillman wrote: 

     Bill: Some funding had been approved and budgeted for, but the actual video turned out much harder to make than was originally expected. This issue will be discussed in the Annual NSRCA Board Meeting at the Nats next week. Tony Stillman 
    Radio South 
    3702 N. Pace Blvd. 
    Pensacola, FL 32505 
    1-800-962-7802 
    www.radiosouthrc.com 
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Bill Glaze
      To: discussion at nsrca.org
      Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:22 PM
      Subject: Re: Snaps
       It seems to me that the NSRCA was working on a spin/snaproll video last year.  It mad a splash on this group, and then faded into oblivion.  Anybody remember it?  Or know what happened to it? 
      Bill Glaze 

      Mike Turgeman wrote: 

        I agree with you. That's why I think a video will help all of us to understand the discussed issues better. I hope that there will be more than one video clip.The main thing I would like to here comments about is the amount of attitude change needed during the snap. Obviously the airplane must be stalled but no one is flying with AOA sensor on board so the pilot and the judges have to estimate the stall visually. I am interested to see what they expect and how they estimate it.Mike 
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Del Rykert
          To: discussion at nsrca.org
          Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 4:13 AM
          Subject: Re: Re:Snaps
           Good idea Mike but I have found video can sometimes be misleading as different aircraft present so differently in some ways regarding the snap. This thread has helped show just how challenging it is to judge and fly correctly.      Del K. Rykert 
               AMA - 8928 
               NSRCA - 473 
               Kb2joi - General 
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Mike Turgeman
            To: discussion at nsrca.org
            Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:33 AM
            Subject: Re:Snaps
             Hi all,Very interesting discussion on a very important issue. As Earl mentioned sometimes a good snap is misjudged because we are used to see the bad one. I think so too. Most of the judges expect too much attitude change and score zero for snaps with small attitude change because they consider it as an axial roll.Maybe someone could post a short video that demonstrate how a real 1 1/2 snap should look like.Mike Turgeman
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