Judging behavior

[Bill Glaze]

Eric:
True.  And, I would think that (or at least hope) this was an isolated
incident.  Folks like those of which you wrote, cannot help but gain
animosity in the minds of those they hope to influence.  Could we
say...........counterproductive?

Bill Glaze

"Henderson,Eric" wrote:

>  I have seen and heard pilots planting the "seeds of doubt" in the
> minds of pilots who would later judge their class. I once dealt with a
> top level pilot who was standing behind the judges and next to other
> pilot judges. He was giving loud detailed descriptions and remarks on
> whether a rival's plane was snapping or not. A day or two later I took
> the time and trouble to try and educate that pilot of the unsporting
> nature of this conduct. Result was long term animosity.Pilot judging
> has problems. One problem is that you should not look at the scores of
> a class that you are judging. Yet if you go and look at your own
> scores it is almost impossible to not notice who is doing well in the
> other classes. This is another form of influencing that we cannot
> control. I just hope that education will prevail over
> legislation.Eric.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: s.vannostrand at kodak.com [mailto:s.vannostrand at kodak.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:49 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Judging behaviour
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> Maybe I'm naive or pollyanna optimistic, but I've never interpreted
> the critiquing of others "lobbying in the pits" and it doesn't hurt my
> experience.  When in the judges chair, we are judges and we call it as
> we see it and are fair and consistent.  When in the pits, we are not
> in the judge role.  We are friends, supporters, builder, telling
> stories and planning the evening's beer guzzling activities.  Talk in
> the pits is fun and unofficial.
> --Lance
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> I think I understand where Peter is coming from on this. In my
> District we
> have gone to contestant judging in every contest except 2 that I am
> aware
> of. What I have witnessed happening is "lobbying in the pits" by
> contestants
> to other contestants that will be judging competitors in their class.
> "So
> and so's plane doesn't spin right" or "looks funny rolling", "he
> always
> cheats the spin entry and gets away with it" are comments I've
> personally
> heard. Personally, although offended by these remarks, I've always
> judged
> everyone to the best of my ability and within the rules as I know
> them. I
> personally have no problem being critiqued by a group of judges after
> a
> flight, in fact I welcome it. However this "lobbying in the pits"
> taints the
> contest experience. The "winning is the only thing" mentality should
> be left
> at  the battlefield.
> Ed M.
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