2005 Proposed Schedules

[Buff Miller]

Well John, Bill,

I guess I would have to do the same, move up that is, but somehow I feel I would look back at Advance as "unfinished business".

I really would like to move up the old fashion way, by pointing out.

Everyone else seems to, why can't I?  Isn't getting old rotten.

Buff Miller
Just one more "permanent member of the 'lower' classes".
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Ferrell 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 1:14 PM
  Subject: Re: 2005 Proposed Schedules


  Well put!
  Bill and I are among the permanent members of the "lower" classes. After flying a given sequence a season or so, we see we are in an area of diminishing returns. Practice is not the limiting factor as to how good we are going to get, our personal limitations are the real limits. Changing the sequence regularly does not make us better flyers, it makes us frequent flyers. 

  When a pattern flyer loses interest in practice, he is a step away from losing interest in pattern. Then your contests start having only as many contestants as you have trophies. I really don't think the sequence has a lot of effect on the rising pilots. They are going to make their way through the permanent members of the "lower" classes regardless. 

  I frequently think about just moving on to Masters anyway. It won't make any difference in the trophy collection, it costs the same, and the scenery changes occasionally. Also, then I would not have to judge it!  

  May be I will do that....  It sounds better all the time....  I wonder what happens if we all do that? 
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Dan Curtis 
    To: discussion at nsrca.org 
    Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 5:10 PM
    Subject: Re: 2005 Proposed Schedules


    Bill,

    I feel your pain <--best Clinton impersonation.  It is really hard to believe that our schedule system within NSRCA and through AMA is so entwined with complexity and red tape. The idea of stepping stones from class to class is fine however the schedules could still be changed periodically.  Many of the Int. and Adv. flyers that I know are going to be pretty disappointed, they were looking forward to a change in 2005 and yes I realize that they were thinking erroneously but some just started with in the past 15 months.

    Dan
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Bill Glaze 
      To: discussion at nsrca.org 
      Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 2:34 PM
      Subject: Re: 2005 Proposed Schedules


      Dan: 
      If the Annex Proposal passes, (vote to be held later) that means that we of the Great Unwashed Advanced and Intermediate Classes will be on the same footing as the Masters.  Sure hope it passes; I get so tired of practicing the same old 6's and 7's time after time.  Would like some different 6's and 7's!<G> 
      Bill Glaze 

      Dan Curtis wrote: 

        Thanks Troy, Don't know how I got the idea that more than the Masters Sequence would change.  I thought all the classes were on a three year cycle now after the Masters having the little two year bump in the flow.  >From the questions I get at some of the contest it seems that many flyers in Int. and Adv are expecting a change, oh well. I also thought that the *03 schedule was history with in FAI after the World Champ.  Figured that they would have it all finalized and ready to go.  Any idea when a final version will be up and running? ThanksDan 
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Troy Newman
          To: discussion at nsrca.org
          Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 9:15 PM
          Subject: Re: 2005 Proposed Schedules
           Dan.... Only proposal is for a Masters class schedule change.... But if the annex system gets passed then the NSRCA has the ability to change things all the time....Hopefully the annex system if passed has enough checks and balances on it...I really don't like the idea....but then again I don't fly AMA pattern so you guys enjoy.... As for the P-05 and F-05 I believe there are some things that are needing clarification from the CIAM committee....so it will change.....Also there is not an official Aresti diagram of the new sequences for P-05 and F-05 as of yet.....I have seen a "french version" that many have been sending around....It contrary to the word descriptions on a couple things ...According to one of our overseas list watchers there are many changes to the sequences and they will be published....they just are not available yet.... I can send you the Plenary meeting notes and the proposed sequences for 2005 and 2007 from the F3A group  but I don't think these are final yet. By the way I have been flying both the P and F's for both 2005 and 2007 and that's how I know there are some inconsistencies...descriptors and aresti's as well as descriptors and maneuvers names not matching up 100%...  Troy   
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Dan Curtis
            To: NSRCA Discussion
            Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:23 PM
            Subject: 2005 Proposed Schedules
             Can someone guide me to list of the proposed schedules for 2005.  All classes.  I believe it was posted on the list referring to the AMA site but alas I have had no success in finding them. Thanks Dan Oh also the link I had for the ribbon drawings for the PO5 and F05 schedules does not seem to be working.  Anyone got a good one for these drawings. Thanks again Dan
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