AMA 2005 Proposed Schedules

Tue Aug 19 04:54:41 AKDT 2003

We did this at the districts in Cincy for a few years...had an Unknown sequence for Masters...I seem to recall a vertical square 8 with half rolls in each leg...Lol.  It was a LOT of fun...we gave everyone the schedule Saturday evening to fly Sunday.

The whole contest would pretty much come to a halt so everyone could watch people fly.  Getting through an unknown...a reasonably tough one...without a zero pretty much warranted a round of applause. Lots and lots of fun...

It would be tough to do logistically for every class.  Coming up with a challenging, but flyable sequence takes more time than you might imagine.

-Mark

-----Original Message-----
From:	mike mueller [mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com]
Sent:	Tue 8/19/2003 8:31 AM
To:	discussion at nsrca.org
Cc:	
Subject:	Re: AMA 2005 Proposed Schedules

 Jeff, you hit on an important point. Local contests can have special rules. I would like to see a contest where they add 2 unknown maneuvers to all the schedules just to spice it up. The key here is to get the word out before the event as not to surprize anyone. We don't have to always abide by the rules. This is suppose to be fun, right? Mike

Jeff Hill <jh102649 at speakeasy.net> wrote:In June, at the Sunflower Classic in Pawnee Rock, Kansas, the CD, Terry 
Brox, let Intermediate choose to fly the original 402 pattern that adds 
an Immelmann turn and a Positive Snap on a 45 deg downline to the 
current pattern. The other Intermediate pilot, Joe Dunnaway, and I both 
voted to fly with the two added maneuvers. It was unanimous! I had only 
done about 4 or 5 intentional snaps in my life before this, so Terry 
Brox helped me the first morning of the contest before competition. It 
was fun. Frankly, I don't know why we ever took those two maneuvers 
out. I was against it then and now I think it was a really dumb move. I 
hope we put it back in.

Jeff Hill
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 01:11 PM, Henderson,Eric wrote:

> We changed all of the schedules last year based upon the NSRCA 
> membership vote. There was no vote this time to make piecemeal changes 
> to 401-403,.
>  
>  
> The Masters schedule has started to be changed every three years. It 
> may or may not get changed this time around depending upon what the 
> AMA contest board votes.
>  
> The current set of schedules were designed to build skills and promote 
> advancement. The 402 schedule was tampered with because of a pressure 
> group, after the NSRCA had already voted it in. The net result was 
> that the 45 down line positive snap was removed. This took away the 
> building block to the advanced (403)  negative snap. The only change 
> proposed to the current 401-403 is to put the snap back into 402. (An 
> NSRCA voted item). I don't see how an Annex system would help this 
> scenario.
>  
>  
> ANNEX
> I think that the why's and wherefore's of the Annex system are not 
> that well understood. I may have it wrong as well so this is what I 
> think is going on and it may not be the official line.
>  
> The current AMA rule book contains the schedules and their 
> descriptions. To change anything you have to change the "book". That 
> takes three years of approval and publishing time.(The AMA moved to a 
> cost-cutting three-year printing cycle).
>  
> An annex would be a separate book. Either virtual or real - electronic 
> or physical. This annex book contains all of the possible maneuvers 
> that could be chosen from, and their descriptions. Schedules would be 
> drawn from that book. (An update process in needed for the book and 
> the descriptions BTW)  I'm not sure where the schedules would be held 
> or how they would be communicated.
>  
> What is not clear or openly addressed is the control system that will 
> be put in place. I believe that the AMA contest board thinks that it 
> should, and really and wants to still, vote on the actual schedules. 
> What we are up against is at lot of three year cycle thinking. What i 
> guess will happen is that we submit our schedules based upon some form 
> of survey of the NSRCA membership and the AMA contest board then 
> approves, or not, what we submit. 
>  
> We don't have the same IAC changes to leverage on scale aerobatics 
> schedule changes as the IMAC organization. I predict that we will meet 
> resistance to frequent changes of the schedules from many quarters.
>  
> Regards
>  
> Eric.
>  
>  
>  
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Bill Glaze
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 3:35 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: 2005 Proposed Schedules
>
> Dan:
> If the Annex Proposal passes, (vote to be held later) that means that 
> we of the Great Unwashed Advanced and Intermediate Classes will be on 
> the same footing as the Masters.  Sure hope it passes; I get so tired 
> of practicing the same old 6's and 7's time after time.  Would like 
> some different 6's and 7's!
>
> Bill Glaze
>
> Dan Curtis wrote:
>
> Thanks Troy, Don't know how I got the idea that more than the Masters 
> Sequence would change.  I thought all the classes were on a three year 
> cycle now after the Masters having the little two year bump in the 
> flow.  >From the questions I get at some of the contest it seems that 
> many flyers in Int. and Adv are expecting a change, oh well. I also 
> thought that the *03 schedule was history with in FAI after the World 
> Champ.  Figured that they would have it all finalized and ready to 
> go.  Any idea when a final version will be up and running? ThanksDan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Troy Newman
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 9:15 PM
> Subject: Re: 2005 Proposed Schedules
>  Dan.... Only proposal is for a Masters class schedule change.... But 
> if the annex system gets passed then the NSRCA has the ability to 
> change things all the time....Hopefully the annex system if passed has 
> enough checks and balances on it...I really don't like the idea....but 
> then again I don't fly AMA pattern so you guys enjoy.... As for the 
> P-05 and F-05 I believe there are some things that are needing 
> clarification from the CIAM committee....so it will change.....Also 
> there is not an official Aresti diagram of the new sequences for P-05 
> and F-05 as of yet.....I have seen a "french version" that many have 
> been sending around....It contrary to the word descriptions on a 
> couple things ...According to one of our overseas list watchers there 
> are many changes to the sequences and they will be published....they 
> just are not available yet.... I can send you the Plenary meeting 
> notes and the proposed sequences for 2005 and 2007 from the F3A group  
> but I don't think these are final yet. By the way I have been flying 
> both the P and F's for both 2005 and 2007 and that's how I know there 
> are some inconsistencies...descriptors and aresti's as well as 
> descriptors and maneuvers names not matching up 100%...  Troy  
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Curtis
> To: NSRCA Discussion
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:23 PM
> Subject: 2005 Proposed Schedules
>  Can someone guide me to list of the proposed schedules for 2005.  All 
> classes.  I believe it was posted on the list referring to the AMA 
> site but alas I have had no success in finding them. Thanks Dan Oh 
> also the link I had for the ribbon drawings for the PO5 and F05 
> schedules does not seem to be working.  Anyone got a good one for 
> these drawings. Thanks again Dan
>

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