AMA 2005 Proposed Schedules

[Jeff Hill]

In June, at the Sunflower Classic in Pawnee Rock, Kansas, the CD, Terry 
Brox, let Intermediate choose to fly the original 402 pattern that adds 
an Immelmann turn and a Positive Snap on a 45 deg downline to the 
current pattern. The other Intermediate pilot, Joe Dunnaway, and I both 
voted to fly with the two added maneuvers. It was unanimous! I had only 
done about 4 or 5 intentional snaps in my life before this, so Terry 
Brox helped me the first morning of the contest before competition. It 
was fun. Frankly, I don't know why we ever took those two maneuvers 
out. I was against it then and now I think it was a really dumb move. I 
hope we put it back in.

Jeff Hill
On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 01:11 PM, Henderson,Eric wrote:

> We changed all of the schedules last year based upon the NSRCA 
> membership vote. There was no vote this time to make piecemeal changes 
> to 401-403,.
>  
>  
> The Masters schedule has started to be changed every three years. It 
> may or may not get changed this time around depending upon what the 
> AMA contest board votes.
>  
> The current set of schedules were designed to build skills and promote 
> advancement. The 402 schedule was tampered with because of a pressure 
> group, after the NSRCA had already voted it in. The net result was 
> that the 45 down line positive snap was removed. This took away the 
> building block to the advanced (403)  negative snap. The only change 
> proposed to the current 401-403 is to put the snap back into 402. (An 
> NSRCA voted item). I don't see how an Annex system would help this 
> scenario.
>  
>  
> ANNEX
> I think that the why's and wherefore's of the Annex system are not 
> that well understood. I may have it wrong as well so this is what I 
> think is going on and it may not be the official line.
>  
> The current AMA rule book contains the schedules and their 
> descriptions. To change anything you have to change the "book". That 
> takes three years of approval and publishing time.(The AMA moved to a 
> cost-cutting three-year printing cycle).
>  
> An annex would be a separate book. Either virtual or real - electronic 
> or physical. This annex book contains all of the possible maneuvers 
> that could be chosen from, and their descriptions. Schedules would be 
> drawn from that book. (An update process in needed for the book and 
> the descriptions BTW)  I'm not sure where the schedules would be held 
> or how they would be communicated.
>  
> What is not clear or openly addressed is the control system that will 
> be put in place. I believe that the AMA contest board thinks that it 
> should, and really and wants to still, vote on the actual schedules. 
> What we are up against is at lot of three year cycle thinking. What i 
> guess will happen is that we submit our schedules based upon some form 
> of survey of the NSRCA membership and the AMA contest board then 
> approves, or not, what we submit. 
>  
> We don't have the same IAC changes to leverage on scale aerobatics 
> schedule changes as the IMAC organization. I predict that we will meet 
> resistance to frequent changes of the schedules from many quarters.
>  
> Regards
>  
> Eric.
>  
>  
>  
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Bill Glaze
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 3:35 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: 2005 Proposed Schedules
>
> Dan:
> If the Annex Proposal passes, (vote to be held later) that means that 
> we of the Great Unwashed Advanced and Intermediate Classes will be on 
> the same footing as the Masters.  Sure hope it passes; I get so tired 
> of practicing the same old 6's and 7's time after time.  Would like 
> some different 6's and 7's!<G>
>
> Bill Glaze
>
> Dan Curtis wrote:
>
>  Thanks Troy, Don't know how I got the idea that more than the Masters 
> Sequence would change.  I thought all the classes were on a three year 
> cycle now after the Masters having the little two year bump in the 
> flow.  >From the questions I get at some of the contest it seems that 
> many flyers in Int. and Adv are expecting a change, oh well. I also 
> thought that the *03 schedule was history with in FAI after the World 
> Champ.  Figured that they would have it all finalized and ready to 
> go.  Any idea when a final version will be up and running? ThanksDan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Troy Newman
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 9:15 PM
> Subject: Re: 2005 Proposed Schedules
>  Dan.... Only proposal is for a Masters class schedule change.... But 
> if the annex system gets passed then the NSRCA has the ability to 
> change things all the time....Hopefully the annex system if passed has 
> enough checks and balances on it...I really don't like the idea....but 
> then again I don't fly AMA pattern so you guys enjoy.... As for the 
> P-05 and F-05 I believe there are some things that are needing 
> clarification from the CIAM committee....so it will change.....Also 
> there is not an official Aresti diagram of the new sequences for P-05 
> and F-05 as of yet.....I have seen a "french version" that many have 
> been sending around....It contrary to the word descriptions on a 
> couple things ...According to one of our overseas list watchers there 
> are many changes to the sequences and they will be published....they 
> just are not available yet.... I can send you the Plenary meeting 
> notes and the proposed sequences for 2005 and 2007 from the F3A group  
> but I don't think these are final yet. By the way I have been flying 
> both the P and F's for both 2005 and 2007 and that's how I know there 
> are some inconsistencies...descriptors and aresti's as well as 
> descriptors and maneuvers names not matching up 100%...  Troy  
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Curtis
> To: NSRCA Discussion
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:23 PM
> Subject: 2005 Proposed Schedules
>  Can someone guide me to list of the proposed schedules for 2005.  All 
> classes.  I believe it was posted on the list referring to the AMA 
> site but alas I have had no success in finding them. Thanks Dan Oh 
> also the link I had for the ribbon drawings for the PO5 and F05 
> schedules does not seem to be working.  Anyone got a good one for 
> these drawings. Thanks again Dan
>
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