Webra 160; was: Mintor 1.70
Lance Van Nostrand
patterndude at comcast.net
Tue Aug 12 20:29:06 AKDT 2003
Hi Mark,
I'm paying $10/gal for 10% Magnum in my Mintor. How much for that 30%
Powermaster these days?
-Lance
----- Original Message -----
From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: Webra 160; was: Mintor 1.70
I'm running a DZ with a 17x12 on 30% Powermaster "DZ" fuel (low viscosity
oil) and turning 8500rpm and still breaking in.
-Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: mike mueller [mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Tue 8/12/2003 12:38 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Cc:
Subject: RE: Webra 160; was: Mintor 1.70
Thanks E. if you get the results on the DZ on a 17x12 sometime in the
future please let us know. I agree with the spooling up on the 2c. I think
that from my assesment that for raw power the DZ's seem to have an edge but
when you add in all the factors like fuel costs, engine costs, ease of
maintenence ie. simplicity, and reliability the available 2 strokes are a
very good choice. Mike
"Henderson,Eric" <Eric.Henderson at gartner.com> wrote:I only tach'd the YS1.40
DZ with a 16 x 12W and got a solid 8,800 rpm. I was running 30% Powermaster
DZ fuel. It pulled the Hydeout out of sight on 3/4 throttle.
Still testing the Mintor 1.70 in the same ship. Running an APC 17 x 12 with
10/16 Powermaster. 15 Runs so far. Does P-03 and P-05. It s not the same
power as a 4-c and you spool up a bit more in the bottom corners. Prefer the
17 x 13 for noise and will wait a while before I load up the engine.
E..
-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On
Behalf Of mike mueller
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:37 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: RE: Webra 160; was: Mintor 1.70
Just for comparisons sake what type of RPM would you expect out of a YS DZ
with the same prop on say Magnum 1.5?
"Henderson,Eric" <Eric.Henderson at gartner.com> wrote: You'll need more nitro
in cooler weather :-) - But what is cooler weather to the CA crowd?
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-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On
Behalf Of Wayne Galligan
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:06 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: Webra 160; was: Mintor 1.70
Jerry,
I was pleasantly surprised too. I can only imagine what this engine will
perform like in cooler weather. We have also been surprised that these
numbers are coming from 10% Magnum fuel. Now its just a matter of getting
it my plane and trying different props.
I failed to note that I am using 2 - A5 plugs.
Wayne G.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Budd
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:47 PM
Subject: Webra 160; was: Mintor 1.70
That's pretty good, the best numbers I've heard yet for a 3M-170.
For comparison my Webra 160 turned the APC 17x12 at 8500 rpm at the
Fresno Contest in June and then again in 104 degree heat at Riverside
on the 4th of July. That's not peak rpm but the flight setting which
was a bit rich (new motor and all). Magnum #1, YS plug, ES-2C140L90
pipe set at 23-1/4" baffle to plug, stock 1.75" rise Mac's header, MC
carb. The motor is timed so that it doesn't come onto the pipe at
all (i.e., NO pipe jump), and the throttle response is linear from
idle to full power. It's also ultra quiet on the ground (under 92 db
at the Nats) and in the air.
Tony Frackowiak's running the same setup in an Alliance on Magnum 15%
fuel and turning 8200-8400 (again set a bit rich).
I can't imagine what else anyone would want out of a motor. It's
essentially perfect.
Jerry
>My 1.70 hit 8200 rpm with 10% magnum, APC 17X12 regular, at the
>Lubbock contest. It was hot and high, reports were that it was like
>being at 7200 ft.
>
>
>
>Gray Fowler
>Principal Chemical Engineer
>Composites Engineering
>
><rcaerobob at cox.net>
>Sent by: discussion-request at nsrca.org
>
>08/11/2003 10:49 AM
>Please respond to discussion
>
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> cc:
> Subject: Re: Mintor 1.70
>
>
>
>HO-LY-COW ! That's a pretty beefy setup, for sure. 10% Nitro?
> You're kiddin', right??
>
>Bob P.
>>
>> From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at goodsonacura.com>
>> Date: 2003/08/11 Mon AM 11:27:50 EDT
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Subject: Mintor 1.70
>>
>> Just a few notes on my initial test and break-in on this engine.
>> It has not been installed in my plane as of this writing but I
>>cant wait.
>>
>> 3M 1.70 stock header
>> 10 % Magnum fuel
>> Bluebird c.f. 2-stroke pipe 24.25" center of head to 1st baffle.
>> Total length of exhaust center of head to end of pipe 31.5"
>>
>> Test day 98 degrees and about 35%+ humidity
>>
>> 17x12N APC high 8500rpm low 1600rpm
>> 17x13 std APC high 8250rpm low 1500rpm
>>
>> This is after 5) 16oz tanks of breakin. I broke it in just like
>>the OS, alternating rich to lean during first several tanks.
>>
>> Wayne Galligan
>>
>>
>
>Bob Pastorello, El Reno, OK, USA
>rcaerobob at cox.net
>www.rcaerobats.net
>Just a few notes on my initial test and break-in on this engine. It
>has not been installed in my plane as of this writing but I cant
>wait.
>
>3M 1.70 stock header
>10 % Magnum fuel
>Bluebird c.f. 2-stroke pipe 24.25" center of head to 1st baffle.
> Total length of exhaust center of head to end of pipe 31.5"
>
>Test day 98 degrees and about 35%+ humidity
>
>17x12N APC high 8500rpm low 1600rpm
>17x13 std APC high 8250rpm low 1500rpm
>
>This is after 5) 16oz tanks of breakin. I broke it in just like the
>OS, alternating rich to lean during first several tanks.
>
>Wayne Galligan
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