Outside the 9 dots - again

[Henderson,Eric]

I always feel very rushed as a judge, even in 401. The old system of one
center maneuver at a time gave you time to ponder what you just saw.

I will often carry a prior maneuver's score in my head, if there is
something like a roll, 4-point etc. coming up quickly. It works but does not
always allow me to do justice to the pilots efforts.

Mathematically you are better off with center and end judges (probability
majors will know this) Just looking at this from local logic, however, we
get concerned at only one judges opinion. I believe that identity of judges
should always be known. We should all stand up and be counted for how we fly
and how we judge.

E.

-----Original Message-----
From: ronlock [mailto:ronlock at comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:05 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: Outside the 9 dots - again


Ive tried the concept in practice.  Judging only center maneuvers,
or only both end maneuvers.   I think it works well, and provides
a bit of extra time for the judge to summarize errors seen during
the maneuver, write it down, and have eyes on the plane for the
next maneuver.

Ron Lockhart
----- Original Message -----
From: "Henderson,Eric" <eric.henderson at gartner.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 12:22 PM
Subject: Outside the 9 dots - again


> If we copy FAI worlds judge team methodology we could use three judges.
>
> A version of this would be:-
>
> One judge who sits at the left and judges right hand turnarounds. One who
> sits at the right and judges left side turnarounds. And one in the middle
> who only judges center maneuvers.
>
> NO SCRIBES REQUIRED at all!
>
> If you use two judges then do one turnaround judge and one center judge.
You
> could swap the rolls in the next round and have, in essence two new
judges.
>
> The system gives you time to read the next maneuver, judge the maneuver
and
> score it at your leisure. It also allows less confident judges, (to get
> their feet wet, to judge higher level turnaround maneuvers with a more
> experienced judge on the center.
>
> Anyone want to try it out at their next contest. BE BOLD
>
> Regards,
>
> Eric.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Woodward James R Civ 412 TW/DRP
> [mailto:James.Woodward2 at edwards.af.mil]
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 12:08 PM
> To: 'discussion at nsrca.org'
> Subject: RE: Pattern Fun / scribe
>
>
> You may have your own opinion on scribes or no scribes.  BUT, do this at
the
> next contest.  Fly your round, then sit back and watch another flyer in
YOUR
> class.  Whatch his flight real close, and I'm sure you'll pick out some
> errors, then, quickly look at the judges and notice which of the judges
did
> not see the error, because their head was obviously down, and looking at
the
> paper.  Then, realize that if you judge and look down to write scores,
that
> you probably miss something from that flight as well.  At the last
contest,
> I watched 1 judge who consistently missed the first two points of the
> inverted 4-pt roll, because they were looking down at writing the score
from
> the full-roll 1/2 outside loop.  How the heck can you judge the 4-pt
> accurately, if you miss the entry (wings level?  heading?
> decending/climbing?), first roll rate, etc? Not to mention all other
> manuevers.  No judge should be looking down during any flight, from
> sportsman to FAI.  Tough issue....
>
> Jim W.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Ferrell [mailto:johnferrell at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:52 AM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Pattern Fun
>
>
>  (Can't see how you can judge FAI or Masters without a scribe.)
> You don't have to keep the clipboard in your lap!
>
> John Ferrell
> 6241 Phillippi Rd
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