Masters 2005 Options

Tomanek, Wojtek tomanekw at saic-abingdon.com
Thu Oct 24 14:00:31 AKDT 2002


But does it include figures simple enough for the lower classes?  If it does
not lets add them (that was item/activity #1)

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Bill Glaze [SMTP:billglaze at triad.rr.com]
	Sent:	Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:39 PM
	To:	discussion at nsrca.org
	Subject:	Re: Masters 2005 Options

	But does it include figures simple enough for the lower classes?
	IMAC (pardon the expression) several years ago set out a series of
figures taken
	from the IAC Handbook, (Blue Book) that were permissible to be used
in unknowns
	for the various classes.  Worked quite well.

	Bill Glaze

	Tony Stillman wrote:

	> A list, as such, already exhists.  It is used in FAI to pick the
"finals
	> Unknown" pattern.
	>
	> Tony Stillman
	> Radio South, Inc.
	> 3702 N. Pace Blvd.
	> Pensacola, Fl 32505
	> www.radiosouthrc.com
	> 800-962-7802
	> ----- Original Message -----
	> From: "Tomanek, Wojtek" <tomanekw at saic-abingdon.com>
	> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
	> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:45 PM
	> Subject: RE: Masters 2005 Options
	>
	> > Maybe in the future we can use a three step-process in selecting
a new
	> > schedule for all AMA classes.   It would be very simple.
	> >
	> > 1) First lets the publish a list of all center and turnaround
	> > maneuvers. The list should contain all currently flown maneuvers
and
	> > maneuvers that have been flown in the past.  The pattern
community would
	> be
	> > asked to propose additional realistic but innovative maneuvers,
for
	> instance
	> > an avalanche from the top with a snap at the bottom, or a loop
with a roll
	> > at the top - the possibilities are endless
	> >
	> > 2) Once a complete list is assembled for a given selection
cycle, it
	> > would be submitted for another membership vote to select the
preferred
	> > maneuvers for each class (401, 402, 403, and 404).
	> >
	> > 3) Finally, a committee would assemble these sets of maneuvers
into a
	> > well "flowing" schedules for each class.  (I would expect that
the
	> selection
	> > process would include field testing by pilots in an appropriate
class.
	> >
	> > In my opinion, the result will be set of schedules (401, 402,
403, and
	> 404)
	> > that majority of the pattern community will like because it will
contain
	> the
	> > most popular maneuvers, although the sequence may be drastically
different
	> > form what we are used to.
	> >
	> > I believe that developing a single schedules with appropriate
difficulty
	> and
	> > interesting maneuvers for everyone is almost impossible because
of
	> enormous
	> > possibilities of variations that a schedule can be developed,
hence there
	> > will always be more than one opinion of what is better.  As an
AMA SIG,
	> the
	> > NSRCA would obviously conduct the polling/voting and final
schedule
	> > selection.
	> >
	> > Just a proposal,
	> >
	> > Wojtek
	> > NSRCA 1856
	> >
	> >
	> >
	> > -----Original Message-----
	> > From: glenn hatfield [SMTP:randy10926 at comcast.net]
	> > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:45 PM
	> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
	> > Subject: Re: Masters 2005 Options
	> >
	> > I second the motion.
	> > Randy
	> >
	> >
	> > ----- Original Message -----
	> > From: Lee Davis <lee at piedmontmodels.com
	> > <mailto:lee at piedmontmodels.com> >
	> > Date: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:33 pm
	> > Subject: Re: Masters 2005 Options
	> >
	> > > I think it is *very* important for NSRCA to provide input
	> > to AMA > for rules > and flight routines.  It is the one and
only voice
	> for
	> > Pattern > pilots as a > group.
	> > >
	> > > There was an announcement and time given months ago for
	> > anyone to > submit routines for Masters on this very list.  A
number of
	> them
	> > > were discussed > right here.
	> > >
	> > > If someone wants to submit something else now, have at it,
	> > it's > your right, > but no one was excluded from the process of
the
	> current
	> > submission > from NSRCA.
	> > >
	> > Ron, perhaps if you bothered to join NSRCA you would see the
	> > vast > improvements made over the last several years to reach
out and >
	> > promote to > the R/C modeling public at large.  I have the
nothing but
	> > praise > for the > recent administration and staff.  I'm trying
to say
	> > something that > doesn'tcome of as rude or petty, but Monday
morning
	> > quarterbacks > comes to mind.
	> >
	> > > It's easy to criticize from the sidelines.
	> > >
	> > > Lee Davis
	> > > Piedmont Models
	> > > http://www.piedmontmodels.com/
	> > <http://www.piedmontmodels.com/>
	> > >
	> > >
	> > > ----- Original Message -----
	> > > From: "Williams, Ron" <rwilliams at wilkinson-mfg.com
	> > <mailto:rwilliams at wilkinson-mfg.com> >
	> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org <mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
	> > >
	> > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:37 PM
	> > > Subject: RE: Masters 2005 Options
	> > >
	> > >
	> > > > I try to stay out of this type of discussion and
	> > just fly
	> > > pattern.  That
	> > > is why you most likely have never seen my name post here.
	> > I have
	> > > followedthis list for several years and could not keep
	> > quit any
	> > > longer.  I want to
	> > > thank Troy for saying publicly what I feel several people
	> > are saying
	> > > privately.  I am one of the people who are no longer a
	> > current
	> > > member of the
	> > > NSRCA but do fly pattern, attend several contests a year
	> > and
	> > > belong to the
	> > > AMA.  Troy is correct.  The goal of the NSRCA is to
	> > promote the
	> > > future of RC
	> > > Aerobatics.  This is not what I feel has been the focus
	> > the last
	> > > few years.
	> > > The last time the patterns were changed a back room deal
	> > was made
	> > > by the
	> > > leadership of the NSRCA to change the membership-approved
	> > > patterns.  The
	> > > explanation was that it had to be done or it would not
	> > have
	> > > passed.  To me
	> > > this was an insult to anyone flying in that class that our
	> >
	> > > leadership agreed
	> > > with.  There are several times on that comments are made
	> > on this list
	> > > stating that people like myself who do not belong to the
	> > NSRCA
	> > > should have
	> > > no say in the future direction.  No wonder people think we
	> > feel we are
	> > > better than everyone else.
	> > > >
	> > > > I agree with Troy, anyone who belongs to the AMA
	> > should be able
	> > > to present
	> > > a set of maneuvers to the AMA for approval.   The current
	> > > president of the
	> > > NSRCA going on a public list chastising this individual
	> > for doing
	> > > this is
	> > > wrong.  We need to promote the hobby to new people not
	> > promote
	> > > personalagendas.  Our local area is also growing like Troy
	> >
	> > > mentions his is.  I can
	> > > also tell you that most of them have no idea who the NSRCA
	> > is or
	> > > care.  They
	> > > are AMA members who want to fly aerobatics.  Hopefully the
	> > NSRCA
	> > > will soon
	> > > return to better times and we can begin to promote the
	> > hobby not
	> > > try to take
	> > > it over.  I agree, our future is bright and all the new
	> > equipment
	> > > keepsmaking it better.
	> > > >
	> > > > This message is not intended to upset anyone or
	> > is it intended
	> > > to be a
	> > > personal attack on anyone.  I hope it does not come across
	> > as
	> > > such.  It is
	> > > just my opinion.
	> > > >
	> > > > Ron Williams
	> > >
	> > >
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