K-factor- overseas members perspective

Sat Oct 5 19:25:43 AKDT 2002

Agreed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Del Rykert [mailto:drykert at rochester.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 12:09 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: K-factor- overseas members perspective

I would move that the results still be included in the printed "K" for those
that aren't puter literate.

     Del K. Rykert
     AMA - 8928
     NSRCA - 473
     Kb2joi - General
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Wallace" <rickwallace45 at hotmail.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 5:52 PM
Subject: RE: K-factor- overseas members perspective

> Great points about the K Factor as the method of announcing contest
results.
>
> Since the K Factor might well be moving to less frequent production, I'd
> LOVE to see contest results and standings posted quickly to the NSRCA
page -
> it's tough to have to wait for the K Factor to see how everyone's doing...
>
> Rick
>
> >
> >The K-Factor is the NSRCA SIG newsletter and as such reports results of
> >pattern contests for its districts. CD's and District-VP's submit these
> >reports. They are read by their district and other districts. Many pilots
> >track the progress of their potential rivals at the upcoming Nationals.
It
> >also posts world results such as the FAI world championships and European
> >champs, etc. All contest results are news to some section of the
> >membership.
> >
> >Today the tech info and news is all mixed up with the contest results.
> >Contest results will not go away but the data could be much better
> >structured, especially in the on-line buckets.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Eric.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mark Wendt [mailto:wendt at kingcrab.nrl.navy.mil]
> >Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:46 AM
> >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> >Subject: RE: K-factor- overseas members perspective
> >
> >
> >Tom,
> >
> >          Great idea.  If you posted the contest results on the web site,
> >instead of in the K Factor, you would take out a whole bunch of stuff
that
> >doesn't mean much to folks outside the districts where the contests are
> >held.  And since the contest info wouldn't be included in the K Factor,
> >there would really be no need to do it on a monthly basis, since the info
> >in the magazine wouldn't be as time sensitive.  Using the web site is a
> >much better solution for contest results, because it can be updated in a
> >much shorter period of time for those hungry for those results...
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> >At 07:51 PM 10/3/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > >We will be able to offer a compromise soon. We are planning to have a
> > >monthly K-Factor for our members on the web site, soon. The costs for
> > >foreign members should be low, as there are no expenses involved. I do
> > >agree, that we must always have a printed version. That is our "Flag
> >Ship".
> > >That defines us and makes us what we are. But times are changing and we
> >may
> > >want to think about other communication opportunities as well.
> > >
> > >Concerning cost savings, the most effective way to cut costs is to
reduce
> > >the number of times we publish per year. Our saving would be
considerable
> >if
> > >we published 6 or 8 times a year instead of 12, and our work load would
> > >diminish, giving everyone a small rest from the publishing pressure. We
> > >would still save money if we made the issues slightly bigger. It's the
> >page
> > >setup, printing, and postage that costs. The less often you need to do
> >it,
> > >the more you save.
> > >Tom Weedon
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> > >[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Nik Middleton
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 5:52 AM
> > >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > >Subject: RE: K-factor- overseas members perspective
> > >
> > >
> > >A most excellent post.  Couldn't agree more.  There is an opportunity
> >here,
> > >but as ever costs are an issue.  If there were some way of receiving
the
> > >K-Factor in electronic format in the destination country and then
having
> >it
> > >printed, that might be a way forward, then the numbers would be low.
> > >
> > >I simply do not agree with the idea that we should go 100% electronic.
> >It's
> > >not for everyone.  This is born out by the fact that far from killing
> >paper
> > >media, the newspapers are holding their own.
> > >
> > >I stopped my membership because I couldn't justify $50+ for a magazine
> >that
> > >mostly contained contest results.  That being said, I know it takes a
lot
> >of
> > >effort to write and submit articles.
> > >
> > >It's a real issue, but I don't have any solutions
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> > >[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Koenig, Tom
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:44 AM
> > >To: 'discussion'
> > >Subject: K-factor- overseas members perspective
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi all,
> > >
> > >I've been reading the threads regarding the K-factor with great
interest
> >and
> > >finally decided to put in a short burst myself.
> > >
> > >I've only been a member since 95 and have actually managed to get
several
> > >others signed up down here, but for various reasons retaining those
> >members
> > >is/was another story.
> > >
> > >With the utmost of respect to the NSRCA but for the overseas members I
> >see
> > >the K-Factor being the only 'real commodity' that the NSRCA possesses.
> >There
> > >is little else the NSRCA can do for 'us' unless the it takes on a more
> > >'Global' role, which is something I hope to see. Think outside of your
> >own
> > >backyard.
> > >
> > >We have our own national bodies etc and our own newsletters, but
because
> >of
> > >our small relative size(s) we have never attempted something along the
> >scale
> > >of the K-factor. So why not take on a world leadership role?
> > >
> > >Something that you MUST consider is the cost. ALL the guys I had signed
> >up
> > >gave the number one reason as cost v what they got.
> > >You must consider exchange rate here...over the years an average
> >membership
> > >for me has cost between 80 to 100 Aussie big ones. This is not
cheap...I
> > >realise the exchange rates are no-ones fault but when you consider that
> >as
> > >overseas members we really get nothing else but the K-factor. We get no
> > >voting rights (not that important anyway ) but I  find it humerous when
I
> > >see some people complaining about their 'local' U.S cost.
> > >
> > >The number two problem that seems evident in retaining OS members was
> > >'content' of the K-factor. Everyone conceded that it is first and
> >foremost
> > >there for the local American members..it has to be, it is afterall your
> > >national body, but contest listing/report after contest report proved
to
> >be
> > >what everyone down here got bored with.
> > >So I asked more questions..what do they want. As overseas members they
> > >wanted the following:
> > >
> > >*       More of a "Global" attitude...lets see some worlds  and
> >continental
> > >reports containing lots of information, pictures, trends analysis etc.
> >lets
> > >face it, the major magazines do nothing, when the K-factor did little
or
> > >nothing...you lost at least 4 OS members down here that I know of.
> > >*       The ads and suppliers are vital..all wanted more and actually
> >listed
> > >this as a major factor in joining the NSRCA to read the ads and see
whats
> > >available to us pattern freaks. INFORMATION.
> > >
> > >*       lets keep the cost realistic,  some of the ideas mentioned
> >before,
> > >like CD's sound quite feasible.
> > >*       guys down here wanted to see more technical content.. I seem to
> > >remember Brian Clemmons wanted to do a plane feature every
month...surely
> >he
> > >had some volunteers??
> > >*       More pictures... and finally.. more of a global outlook( again)
> > >
> > >While on cost....there aren't going to be any OS members left if the
> > >K-factor is as irregular as it is. Maybe that wont matter to the NSRCA
> >but
> >I
> > >think it would be a shame...lets face it... pattern flyer's are the
same
> >all
> > >over the world, no matter where you come from, we are all hopelessly
> >devoted
> > >to it, which is why I see this as an opportunity for the NSRCA to unite
> > >pattern flyers around the world. There has to be a way to bring us all
> > >together and I see the K-factor being the tool to do it with. Lets
become
> >so
> > >strong that the FAI shakes in their boots!!!
> > >
> > >Sorry for this to be written by a 'scatterbrain' but I'm in a hurry at
> > >work!!
> > >
> > >Just some food for thought.
> > >
> > >Tom
> > >Canberra, Australia
> > >
> > >
> >
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