similar design
Adam Glatt
adam.g at sasktel.net
Thu Nov 14 14:41:06 AKST 2002
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nik Middleton" <middletn at spinmail.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: November 14, 2002 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: similar design
> Interesting list, one thing stands out though, there don't seem to be
that
> many new US designs these days. Not trying to be contentious here, merely
> making an observation. At this year's Euro champs, I didn't see one US
> designed plane out of 150 aircraft, yes I know it's Europe, but you would
> have thought there'd be one or two.
>
> I'm aware that the Focus is a great flying plane, functional etc, but no
one
> could say it was stylish. Where have all the good looking US designs
gone?
> I'm not saying there aren't any out there, but how many new for this year?
> There seems to be a tremendous growth in the manufacture and design in
> Europe, PL and ZN seem to be releasing at least two new designs every
year,
> and they're been sold as quickly as they're been made.
They aren't being made very fast.
>
> Comments?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Anne & Xavier
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:03 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: similar design
>
>
> Have you count how many different looking airplanes there is at contests ?
> Imac: Extra, Cap, Sukkoi, Studaker, Edge, Giles, Ultimate and maybe a few
> more.
> Pattern: Alliance, Synergy, Smarrag, Angel's Shadow, Caprise, Carrera,
> Chaos, Elan, EMC2, Facination, Fashion, Finesse, Hydeout, Jekyll, LA1,
> Larimar, Legend, Meridian, Nova , Odyssey, Olympian, Omen, Patriot,
> Prophecy, Python, Runaround, Runaway, Saturn, Sequel, Storm, Summit,
> Temptation, Tracer, Typhoon, USA Star, Vector, Enigma, Venus, Aresti, Zen,
> Tai Ji, Focus, etc.
> I agree they have some similar look and there is some similar design with
> defferent names and some old ones, but the same apply to the scale planes.
>
> Xavier
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tomanek, Wojtek" <tomanekw at saic-abingdon.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:52 AM
> Subject: RE: rumor
>
>
> > "A larger diversity would help this visual appeal even more."
> >
> > In reality all designs will eventually gravitate to a very similar or
the
> > same look or shape. This is inevitable with a one purpose type
> performance.
> > IMAC, pylon, control line stuff, gliders they are all relatively the
same
> > within the same grouping because of a single purpose.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Glaze [SMTP:billglaze at triad.rr.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 12:22 PM
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Subject: Re: rumor
> >
> > John's approach is interesting. The similar appearance of pattern
> > airplanes,
> > (all of which I personally considered rather ugly) kept me out of
> > pattern for
> > several years. Now the airplanes seem very attractive. Possibly my
> > view has
> > changed, or, more probably, the new approach toward airplanes that
> > look like
> > airplanes has more visual appeal.
> > A larger diversity would help this visual appeal even more.
> > One of the major problems would seem to be design research (probably
> > would have
> > to be rather empirical, which is slow and costly) while new designs
> > are being
> > made competitive. Few would intentionally use an airplane in a
> > contest if they
> > knew they were handicapped going in. Except, of course, in a "run
> > whatcha
> > brung" contest setting.
> > Anyway, certainly worthy of thought.
> >
> > Bill Glaze
> >
> > John Ferrell wrote:
> >
> > > The specs we are currently using has led to airplanes that are
> > only slightly
> > > different in outward appearance. In some circumstances they may be
> > counter
> > > productive.
> > >
> > > It appears to me that a weight increase at the Nats level might
> > bring a few
> > > more contestants in the Intermediate & Advanced classes. It would
> > certainly
> > > bring about Biplanes & bigger engines in Masters!
> > >
> > > Here is something to ponder:
> > > Keep the current size & weight but give Biplanes a 15%(?) bonus on
> > their raw
> > > score.
> > >
> > > The advantages:
> > > Some new airplanes to work with.
> > > Greater spectator appeal?
> > > Slower, close in flying more practical.
> > >
> > > John Ferrell
> > > 6241 Phillippi Rd
> > > Julian NC 27283
> > > Phone: (336)685-9606
> > > Dixie Competition Products
> > > NSRCA 479 AMA 4190 W8CCW
> > > "My Competition is Not My Enemy"
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tomanek, Wojtek" <tomanekw at saic-abingdon.com>
> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:34 AM
> > > Subject: RE: rumor
> > >
> > > > Bob
> > > >
> > > > "Plus - and for me (and others) - the most important aspect of
> > the weight
> > > > rule is that it has NO meaning. A "minimum" weight would make
> > so much
> > > more
> > > > sense."
> > > >
> > > > Not sure that a minimum weight is a good thing since many of the
> > new
> > > design
> > > > are not the full 2m span and the weights are 9 - 9.5 lb. If
> > someone wants
> > > > to fly smaller and lighter plane that should not be discouraged
> > or
> > > > prevented.
> > > >
> > > > But, I agree that setting an upper weight limit is pointless
> > since that
> > > > hinders performance of the plane by itself, however if the point
> > is to
> > > > prevent bi-planes lets exclude the bi-planes (with weight limit
> > eliminated
> > > I
> > > > am sure we will see some), or if the point is to exclude gas
> > engines lets
> > > do
> > > > that.
> > > >
> > > > Wojtek
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Bob Pastorello [SMTP:rcaerobob at cox.net]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:21 PM
> > > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > Subject: Re: rumor
> > > >
> > > > The practical component of the weight rule is ???
> > > >
> > > > And out of the hundreds and hundreds of contests since the 5 kg
> > > > rule,
> > > > exactly how many airplanes have EVER been weighed at local
> > events?
> > > > CD's - for the most part that's US pattern fliers/club
> > members -
> > > > absolutely will not screw with trying to weigh
> > > > airplanes....logistically, it
> > > > is an investment with no return.
> > > > Plus - and for me (and others) - the most important aspect
> > of
> > > > the weight
> > > > rule is that it has NO meaning. A "minimum" weight would make
> > so
> > > > much more
> > > > sense.
> > > >
> > > > Not to be confused with the 2M rule - doorways, practically the
> > > > world over,
> > > > are 2 m...or very close...just a thought...
> > > > Weight rule - until I can be shown a practical, meaningful
> > and
> > > > competition-related reason for it's existence, I'm one of those
> > who
> > > > will
> > > > support it - but never be interested in checking a plane at a
> > > > contest again.
> > > >
> > > > Oh - BTW - Yes, I **DID** do it once as a CD...NEVER, EVER,
> > again
> > > > will I try
> > > > that little trick at a local event, even if it WAS the "regional
> > > > championships"....
> > > >
> > > > Bob Pastorello
> > > > NSRCA 199, AMA 46373
> > > > rcaerobob at cox.net
> > > > www.rcaerobats.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <s.vannostrand at kodak.com>
> > > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 3:05 PM
> > > > Subject: Rd: rumor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Last year there were two VERY active threads on the weight
> > limit.
> > > > One I
> > > > > started. I saved all the emails. Both threads concluded that
> > > > letting
> > > > > someone fly an airplane over 11 lbs was to his detriment, and
> > the
> > > > rules
> > > > > shouldn't prevent someone disadvantaging themselves. Most felt
> > > > raising the
> > > > > limit to 12-14 lbs was better than eliinating it (I'm skipping
> > all
> > > > the
> > > > > details on purpose - this is a general conclusion). However,
> > the
> > > > member
> > > > > survey did not produce the same conclusive results so no
> > change
> > > > has been
> > > > > proposed.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm a full believer in the democratic process, so I've dropped
> > the
> > > > issue
> > > > > and I'm on board with the current rule. However, with our
> > noise
> > > > and size
> > > > > limitations firmly in place, the weight rule will constantly
> > be
> > > > viewed by
> > > > > many as simply unnecessary.
> > > > >
> > > > > Even though this was rejected at CIAM and NSRCA this year, it
> > is
> > > > likely to
> > > > > continue to resurface until it is removed.
> > > > >
> > > > > --Lance
> > > > >
> > > > > This was rejected for F3A at the 2002 CIAM meeting.
> > > > >
> > > > > It will probably be proposed again in the future.
> > > > >
> > > > > Harry
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > |---------+---------------------------->
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> > > > > | | 11/07/2002 08:19 |
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Saw this while learking on the Imac list. Can anyone
> > substantiate?
> > > > >
> > > > > Anthony
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > "mini-iac at yahoogroups.com"
> > > > > > > <mini-iac at yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > From: dick hanson <dhmodels at concentric.net>
> > > > > > > Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 06:08:27 -0700
> > > > > > > Subject: [SA] rumors
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just heard a rumor that 6KG is being
> > > > > > > considered as the weight
> > > > > > > limit in 2004 - for FAI- This from overseas (out
> > > > > > > of the US).
> > > > > > > The object -to allow use of the newer gasoline
> > > > > > > engines -
> > > > > > > (Which work at 5 KG also- but is not as easy to
> > > > > > > do ).
> > > > > > > For the mathimatically disinfranchised --thats
> > > > > > > just a year away -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Dick Hanson
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