Weight Limit

Wed Nov 13 13:56:32 AKST 2002

Some quick call the pattern police.  Fly IMAC and pattern; is it legal.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas C. Weedon" <weedon at wwnet.net>
Date: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 5:42 pm
Subject: RE: Weight Limit

> Bill,
> The latest that I have heard is that they have experienced some 
> drop outs
> after the orginal excitment a few years ago which leaves them 
> around 800
> members. The IMAC contests up here have been down on attendance 
> over this
> last year. Tom Wheeler told me that they were tight on money and 
> could not
> afford to publish a magazine without a loss. That's why they were 
> pushingtheir on-line issue. Now that they have joined with RC 
> Excellance magazine,
> their publishing problems my go away. Just my observations. I 
> still want to
> fly IMAC when I have the time. I have 2 good planes (only 80"w.s. 
> though)Tom W.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Bill Glaze
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 1:10 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Weight Limit
> 
> 
> Tom:
> Last I heard, IMAC has a larger membership than NSRCA.  where did 
> you get
> your
> figures?  I happened to be RD for the SE when we first broke 1K.
> Bill Glaze
> 
> "Thomas C. Weedon" wrote:
> 
> > GeorgeF,
> > You are WAAAAY off base with your membership in IMAC. IMAC has less
> members
> > than we do. IMAA, repeat, IMAA has about 10,000 members. IMAA is 
> NOT,repeat
> > NOT the same as IMAC!!!!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> > [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of GeorgeF.
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:02 AM
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Subject: Re: Weight Limit
> >
> > A key point he made was the fact that IMAC is marketing itself 
> to the
> Sport
> > Pilots.  And about 4-5 months ago I had mentioned on this forum 
> aboutNSRCA
> > should do a better job marketing itself to the sport pilot.   
> But instead
> > of getting any meaningful feedback I just got a bunch of crap 
> from the
> > NSRCA president.
> >
> > I had offered suggestions but was pretty much told by the 
> President that
> > "we're already doing that and I have a plan for the NSRCA".  
> However we
> > never did learn what that plan was....
> >
> > It appears the NSRCA is trying to cater to the wrong group. We 
> need to do
> a
> > better job of marketing our sport to the sport pilot which is a 
> market> share of nearly 100,000 pilots.   The way I see it it 
> appears the NSRCA is
> > trying to cater and market itself to the IMAC crowd whos market 
> share is
> > only about 10,000 pilots.  What is wrong with this picture???   The
> > IMAC'ers already have a "special interest" in this hobby and 
> don't need
> > another one (ie: pattern).   The sport pilot (guy boring holes 
> in the sky
> > with their .40's, .60's and 1.20's) has yet to develop a "special
> > interest", it should be the job of the entire membership 
> (including its
> > elected officials) to sway the sport pilot to our ranks.  I 
> think it would
> > be easier to sway a sport pilot our way then it would be to sway an
> IMAC'er
> > our way.
> >
> > George
> > "the thorn with a point to make"
> >
> > At 10:16 AM 11/12/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> > >Larry..
> > >      Boy oh BOY...  I hope members do a hard read of what you 
> posted.You
> > > address many of the issues that do stifle growth of pattern. I 
> also> > walked many miles in those moccasins of no help or 
> guidance from anyone
> > > and no list to learn from either. Others apparently have 
> little or no
> > > idea of the obstacles some of us have to deal with just to get 
> a plane
> up
> > > and working reliably. When you have local experience and 
> expertise it
> > > becomes a whole lot easier. Making it more difficult or change 
> the type
> > > of technology isn't going to stimulate pattern growth.  I look 
> back at
> > > the change to 2 meter designs and how many insisted that the 
> ole 60 size
> > > would still be competitive and a viable way to fly. Granted I was
> > > eventually able to win a couple of contests but best I place 
> at the Nats
> > > when it wasn't breezy was 7th.  When the wind was blowing I 
> was scoring
> > > in the 20th plus place. The bouncy around was getting me 
> nailed by the
> > > judges even though the book says that they aren't to do that. 
> Look at
> how
> > > many left when it went to turnaround.
> > >     Very well thought out and worded post.
> > >
> > >      Del K. Rykert
> > >      AMA - 8928
> > >      NSRCA - 473
> > >      Kb2joi - General
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <Larry')" >mailto:jed241 at email.msn.com>Larry Diamond
> > >To: <discussion at nsrca.org')" 
> >mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>discussion at nsrca.org> >Sent: Sunday, 
> November 10, 2002 7:50 AM
> > >Subject: Re: Weight Limit
> > >
> > >Keith,
> > >
> > >There are many differing opinions on the topic...Here is mine...
> > >
> > > >>recruiting new members, growing pattern
> > >
> > >If you look at the survey on RC Universe, I believe it confirm 
> what some
> > >already knew. Participation is lacking because of local 
> interest as the #
> > >1 hitter...So, ask why is pattern not popular...One conclusion 
> could be
> > >made that, to be competitive, you need a good plane with good 
> equipment.> >This cost much more than an average sport flyer 
> wishes to put out.
> > >
> > >There are some that say IMAC don't seem to have this problem. 
> I'm not an
> > >IMAC'r, but I believe they are doing a great job in marketing 
> there sport
> > >to the average sport flyer.
> > >
> > >Flying fields may get to be an issue with larger planes. Some 
> fields may
> > >start to limit size that we fly contest at. If this happens it 
> would be a
> > >direct hit on local interest. I am about 150 miles to the 
> closest contest
> > >over the last couple years. Hopefully this next year can be 
> different.> >This has been part of the reason I have not been 
> attending contest.
> Family
> > >Time Vs Contest Time. The closest Pattern fliers to my area is 
> 2 or 3
> > >hours away. By nature, I'm a very competitive person. Golf was very
> > >frustrating to me and I couldn't get my scores below 90. I sold
> everything
> > >and vowed to never to play golf again....I forgot to mention 
> that my
> score
> > >is for 9 holes <VBG>...Ever try to teach yourself something you 
> don't> >know, and then try to set up a plane to fly well which you 
> don't have
> that
> > >level of experience...It's taken two years to learn what I 
> have. Mostly
> > >from this discussion group.
> > >
> > > >>advancing designs and technology
> > >
> > >The material that we see in pattern today are very light weight 
> material> >and perhaps stronger. Engines are bigger and lighter 
> with more HP.
> > >Titanium Push Rods, CF push rods, CF/ Kevlar Kits Vs 
> Fiberglass. How many
> > >of those technologies would have made it in pattern if Size and 
> Weightwas
> > >not a limiting factor.
> > >
> > >I work in the Electronics Industry and manage very cutting edge 
> products> >that push the limits of manufacturing. This leads to 
> new ways of
> > >manufacturing. I managed a program a couple of years ago where 
> we put a
> > >.018 inch cube electronic device on a .008 inch PCB board at 
> over 100K
> > >assemblies per month. This would not have been necessary if the 
> size of
> > >the product was increased. Comparing size and performance of 
> electronics> >could be compared to advancing technology in Pattern 
> Plane design. We
> > >would not be where we are today if cost and space was not a 
> concern for
> > >electronic consumers. Everyone would have a PC the size of a 
> closet and
> > >working on a 286 Turbo w/ EGA. Very high power for the consumer 
> in the
> > >mid-late 80's.
> > >
> > >So, if we have gone as far as we can in advancing technologies with
> > >Pattern Design and Performance. I would agree to change the 
> limit, -but
> > >not remove it-. I just don't think we are at that point.
> > >
> > >Again, Twisted perception from a twisted mind.
> > >
> > >Larry
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <Keith')" >mailto:tkeithb at attbi.com>Keith Black
> > >To: <discussion at nsrca.org')" 
> >mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>discussion at nsrca.org> >Sent: Sunday, 
> November 10, 2002 12:14 AM
> > >Subject: Re: Weight Limit
> > >
> > >Larry,
> > >
> > >Honestly I haven't decided which side of this issue I'm on. 
> Could you
> > >explain why you think increasing the weight limit would 
> negatively effect
> > >the goal of recruiting new members, growing pattern and 
> advancing designs
> > >and technology? I don't see the correlation.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Keith
> >
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