Two/Four Stokes

Wed Nov 13 09:11:20 AKST 2002

Gerry Dale (near here in NC) has been flying gas for at least a
season-and-a-half in D2.  Flies quite well, also.  A construction article in RCM
is pending, according to Gerry.
Bill Glaze

Wade & Barbara Akle wrote:

> Anybody knows of a viable 2M, 5 Kg Pattern plane Gas engine? in development?
> Now that we have broken the 2/4 stroke barrier, it would be interesting to
> see if a Gas engine can be done that fits the newer large nose cowls.
> Wade
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MILLER, EDWARD, MGSVC" <em0 at att.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 3:30 AM
> Subject: RE: Two/Four Stokes
>
> Yeah, since you guys ( including me ) switched to 2 strokes, I don't have a
> handful of YS 4 strokes in various states of repair/disrepair around the
> shop anymore. I sorta feel like the Maytag repairman. I'm a convert to the
> "bumble bee on steroids"
> Ed M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave&Sue Funk [mailto:dnsfunk at peoplepc.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:35 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Two/Four Stokes
>
> If you want to see quality take A look at the OS 140 RX. and after you put
> it in your plane and run it you don't have to take it back out and send it
> in for the latest piston that will make it run right.
>
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terry Terrenoire" <amad2terry at juno.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Two/Four Stokes
>
> > What a pitty! Guess some people don't appreciate quality!
> >
> > Terry T.
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:19:26 -0500 ronlock <ronlock at comcast.net> writes:
> > > I recently shared a day at a sport field with Joe and a number of
> > > other pattern guys - There were seven pattern pilots, seven pattern
> > > birds, and not a 4 stroke in sight !
> > >
> > > Ron Lockhart
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joe Lachowski" <jlachow at hotmail.com>
> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:28 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Weight Limit/cost
> > >
> > >
> > > > Come on Terry, when are you gonna come over to the dark side and
> > > fly a two
> > > > stroke?<vbg>
> > >
> > > > >From: Terry Terrenoire <amad2terry at juno.com>
> > > > >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > >Subject: Re: Weight Limit/cost
> > > > >Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 06:08:55 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >Just to confirm this:
> > > > >I am currently building a Synergy
> > > > >Kit cost $875
> > > > >Engine $500, YS 1.40 L
> > > > >Header $40
> > > > >4 digital servos $360
> > > > >Paint and Monokote $100?
> > > > >Ball bearing controls $40
> > > > >Pilot $10
> > > > >Wheels $30
> > > > >Add another misc $100 and you have a total of $2055
> > > > >
> > > > >And this is with top equipment. Have not purchased a pipe yet and
> > > the
> > > > >throttle servo is a 132 from my inventory.
> > > > >Eliminate the ballbearing hardware, and digital servos and you're
> > > back
> > > > >under $2000.
> > > > >
> > > > >Terry T.
> > > > >
> > > > >On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:35:00 -0600 "Keith Black"
> > > <tkeithb at attbi.com>
> > > > >writes:
> > > > > > > BTW you mentioned being competitive with a $1500 plane.  If
> > > true
> > > > > > why are
> > > > > > > the "top boys" flying planes were the radio/receiver/servos
> > > along
> > > > > > cost
> > > > > > $1500?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I said was one could be competitive by spending $1500 to
> > > $2000
> > > > > > and I
> > > > > > feel that this is the case. That's not to say that the "big
> > > boys",
> > > > > > or even
> > > > > > the well financed guy at the local club, won't spend more.
> > > Obviously
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > dollar figure doesn't assume you get a ready built plane from
> > > > > > someone like
> > > > > > PLProd. BTW, I wasn't including the transmitter in that figure
> > > as
> > > > > > most
> > > > > > people in the hobby have a TX they fly multiple planes with
> > > (even
> > > > > > the sport
> > > > > > guys). You can get a name brand JR or Futaba radio with lots
> > > extras
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > multi-model support, dual rates, exponential, programmable
> > > mixes,
> > > > > > etc. for
> > > > > > $250.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As to the $1500 to $2000 figure consider the following: Top
> > > notch
> > > > > > JR
> > > > > > digitals on all flight surfaces for around $400 to $500, Webra
> > > 1.45
> > > > > > or OS
> > > > > > 1.40RX - $395.00 to $450, Hitec receiver for $60, competitive
> > > > > > cutting edge
> > > > > > kit or ARC for $425 to $700 (in my case I'm building an Aries
> > > from
> > > > > > AeroSlave, but you can also go with others or even get an ARC
> > > Focus
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > $595). Add another $300 or so for building supplies, landing
> > > gear,
> > > > > > spinner,
> > > > > > linkages, etc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That comes to right around $2000 on the high end and $1500 on
> > > the
> > > > > > low end,
> > > > > > and the result in either case would be a very competitive
> > > plane.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The point of my message was that I can be on a competitive
> > > playing
> > > > > > field in
> > > > > > Pattern in this dollar range, but in IMAC the price tag is
> > > more like
> > > > > > $7000
> > > > > > and continually growing as pilots go from 33%, to 40%, to 50%
> > > > > > planes. It
> > > > > > would be very discouraging to me to have to compete against
> > > someone
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > drops this much money on am IMAC plane, but if someone drops
> > > $3000
> > > > > > or $4000
> > > > > > on a pattern plane I know it's probably just because they
> > > didn't
> > > > > > want to
> > > > > > build :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith Black
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "GeorgeF." <av8tor at flash.net>
> > > > > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 6:06 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Weight Limit
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  In IMAC they're continually building them bigger and
> > > bigger,
> > > > > > and one
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > to follow suite to be competitive.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This "bigger and bigger" as resulted in many flying fields
> > > being
> > > > > > > lost.  Both because of "big" planes being flown wrecklessly
> > > and
> > > > > > because of
> > > > > > > noise.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I know that changes often have unintended consequences.
> > > The
> > > > > > question is
> > > > > > > >will lifting the weight limitation cause an explosion in
> > > price or
> > > > > > simply
> > > > > > > >provide more economical and technically appealing options
> > > as
> > > > > > others have
> > > > > > > >suggested.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For an answer to this lets take a look at what happened with
> > > the
> > > > > > engine
> > > > > > > size rule was lifted.  What happened to cost?  What happened
> > > to
> > > > > > average
> > > > > > > aircraft size?  Both went up.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > BTW you mentioned being competitive with a $1500 plane.  If
> > > true
> > > > > > why are
> > > > > > > the "top boys" flying planes were the radio/receiver/servos
> > > along
> > > > > > cost
> > > > > > $1500?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > George
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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