Two/Four Stokes

Tue Nov 12 18:51:29 AKST 2002

Reeves,

I've used both the ES and Greve pipes this year. Both are equal to the task. 
Down lines were not an issue for the Focus(10.75 lbs) I flew most of this 
year. My prefered setup is an APC 16.5X12W on Powermaster 15/16 Fuel.(No dye 
in the fuel of course).  I'm using Hyde ARI mount.

Don't know how it compares to the DZ and frankly don't care. Got all the 
power I need. Seen a few DZs shoot craps during a flight this year, though. 
Haven't seen a Webra crap out yet other than a blown coupler(once on my 
plane). My other Focus has an OS 140RX in it. It too, ran flawlessly. Same 
prop and fuel.

What's great about the Webra is that you basically get similar performance 
in all weather conditions. Don't have to tip the nitro jug like you do with 
a 4-stroke. Keep in mind, I've run YS engines since the early 90's. Thought 
I'd never change, but I did. Sold every darn YS I had this year.

Good enough sales pitch Lee. <vbg>

Joe Lachowski

>From: "Reeves" <reeves at mtaonline.net>
>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: Two/Four Stokes
>Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:44:36 -0900
>
>Hi,  What motor mounts are you running on the two-stroke? I also would like
>to know what pipe you are using on the Webra 145 and how it compares in
>power to the YS 140 DZ. How about speeding up on the downlines? I have not
>seen one of these run yet in the far North. Thanks, Reeves in Alaska
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Terry Terrenoire" <amad2terry at juno.com>
>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:23 PM
>Subject: Re: Two/Four Stokes
>
>
> > What a pitty! Guess some people don't appreciate quality!
> >
> > Terry T.
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:19:26 -0500 ronlock <ronlock at comcast.net> writes:
> > > I recently shared a day at a sport field with Joe and a number of
> > > other pattern guys - There were seven pattern pilots, seven pattern
> > > birds, and not a 4 stroke in sight !
> > >
> > > Ron Lockhart
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joe Lachowski" <jlachow at hotmail.com>
> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:28 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Weight Limit/cost
> > >
> > >
> > > > Come on Terry, when are you gonna come over to the dark side and
> > > fly a two
> > > > stroke?<vbg>
> > >
> > > > >From: Terry Terrenoire <amad2terry at juno.com>
> > > > >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > >Subject: Re: Weight Limit/cost
> > > > >Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 06:08:55 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >Just to confirm this:
> > > > >I am currently building a Synergy
> > > > >Kit cost $875
> > > > >Engine $500, YS 1.40 L
> > > > >Header $40
> > > > >4 digital servos $360
> > > > >Paint and Monokote $100?
> > > > >Ball bearing controls $40
> > > > >Pilot $10
> > > > >Wheels $30
> > > > >Add another misc $100 and you have a total of $2055
> > > > >
> > > > >And this is with top equipment. Have not purchased a pipe yet and
> > > the
> > > > >throttle servo is a 132 from my inventory.
> > > > >Eliminate the ballbearing hardware, and digital servos and you're
> > > back
> > > > >under $2000.
> > > > >
> > > > >Terry T.
> > > > >
> > > > >On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:35:00 -0600 "Keith Black"
> > > <tkeithb at attbi.com>
> > > > >writes:
> > > > > > > BTW you mentioned being competitive with a $1500 plane.  If
> > > true
> > > > > > why are
> > > > > > > the "top boys" flying planes were the radio/receiver/servos
> > > along
> > > > > > cost
> > > > > > $1500?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I said was one could be competitive by spending $1500 to
> > > $2000
> > > > > > and I
> > > > > > feel that this is the case. That's not to say that the "big
> > > boys",
> > > > > > or even
> > > > > > the well financed guy at the local club, won't spend more.
> > > Obviously
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > dollar figure doesn't assume you get a ready built plane from
> > > > > > someone like
> > > > > > PLProd. BTW, I wasn't including the transmitter in that figure
> > > as
> > > > > > most
> > > > > > people in the hobby have a TX they fly multiple planes with
> > > (even
> > > > > > the sport
> > > > > > guys). You can get a name brand JR or Futaba radio with lots
> > > extras
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > multi-model support, dual rates, exponential, programmable
> > > mixes,
> > > > > > etc. for
> > > > > > $250.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As to the $1500 to $2000 figure consider the following: Top
> > > notch
> > > > > > JR
> > > > > > digitals on all flight surfaces for around $400 to $500, Webra
> > > 1.45
> > > > > > or OS
> > > > > > 1.40RX - $395.00 to $450, Hitec receiver for $60, competitive
> > > > > > cutting edge
> > > > > > kit or ARC for $425 to $700 (in my case I'm building an Aries
> > > from
> > > > > > AeroSlave, but you can also go with others or even get an ARC
> > > Focus
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > $595). Add another $300 or so for building supplies, landing
> > > gear,
> > > > > > spinner,
> > > > > > linkages, etc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That comes to right around $2000 on the high end and $1500 on
> > > the
> > > > > > low end,
> > > > > > and the result in either case would be a very competitive
> > > plane.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The point of my message was that I can be on a competitive
> > > playing
> > > > > > field in
> > > > > > Pattern in this dollar range, but in IMAC the price tag is
> > > more like
> > > > > > $7000
> > > > > > and continually growing as pilots go from 33%, to 40%, to 50%
> > > > > > planes. It
> > > > > > would be very discouraging to me to have to compete against
> > > someone
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > drops this much money on am IMAC plane, but if someone drops
> > > $3000
> > > > > > or $4000
> > > > > > on a pattern plane I know it's probably just because they
> > > didn't
> > > > > > want to
> > > > > > build :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith Black
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "GeorgeF." <av8tor at flash.net>
> > > > > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 6:06 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Weight Limit
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  In IMAC they're continually building them bigger and
> > > bigger,
> > > > > > and one
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > to follow suite to be competitive.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This "bigger and bigger" as resulted in many flying fields
> > > being
> > > > > > > lost.  Both because of "big" planes being flown wrecklessly
> > > and
> > > > > > because of
> > > > > > > noise.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I know that changes often have unintended consequences.
> > > The
> > > > > > question is
> > > > > > > >will lifting the weight limitation cause an explosion in
> > > price or
> > > > > > simply
> > > > > > > >provide more economical and technically appealing options
> > > as
> > > > > > others have
> > > > > > > >suggested.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For an answer to this lets take a look at what happened with
> > > the
> > > > > > engine
> > > > > > > size rule was lifted.  What happened to cost?  What happened
> > > to
> > > > > > average
> > > > > > > aircraft size?  Both went up.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > BTW you mentioned being competitive with a $1500 plane.  If
> > > true
> > > > > > why are
> > > > > > > the "top boys" flying planes were the radio/receiver/servos
> > > along
> > > > > > cost
> > > > > > $1500?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > George
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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