Two/Four Stokes

Tue Nov 12 15:23:25 AKST 2002

What a pitty! Guess some people don't appreciate quality!

Terry T.

On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:19:26 -0500 ronlock <ronlock at comcast.net> writes:
> I recently shared a day at a sport field with Joe and a number of
> other pattern guys - There were seven pattern pilots, seven pattern
> birds, and not a 4 stroke in sight !
> 
> Ron Lockhart
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Lachowski" <jlachow at hotmail.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Weight Limit/cost
> 
> 
> > Come on Terry, when are you gonna come over to the dark side and 
> fly a two
> > stroke?<vbg>
> 
> > >From: Terry Terrenoire <amad2terry at juno.com>
> > >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > >Subject: Re: Weight Limit/cost
> > >Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 06:08:55 -0500
> > >
> > >Just to confirm this:
> > >I am currently building a Synergy
> > >Kit cost $875
> > >Engine $500, YS 1.40 L
> > >Header $40
> > >4 digital servos $360
> > >Paint and Monokote $100?
> > >Ball bearing controls $40
> > >Pilot $10
> > >Wheels $30
> > >Add another misc $100 and you have a total of $2055
> > >
> > >And this is with top equipment. Have not purchased a pipe yet and 
> the
> > >throttle servo is a 132 from my inventory.
> > >Eliminate the ballbearing hardware, and digital servos and you're 
> back
> > >under $2000.
> > >
> > >Terry T.
> > >
> > >On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:35:00 -0600 "Keith Black" 
> <tkeithb at attbi.com>
> > >writes:
> > > > > BTW you mentioned being competitive with a $1500 plane.  If 
> true
> > > > why are
> > > > > the "top boys" flying planes were the radio/receiver/servos 
> along
> > > > cost
> > > > $1500?
> > > >
> > > > What I said was one could be competitive by spending $1500 to 
> $2000
> > > > and I
> > > > feel that this is the case. That's not to say that the "big 
> boys",
> > > > or even
> > > > the well financed guy at the local club, won't spend more. 
> Obviously
> > > > that
> > > > dollar figure doesn't assume you get a ready built plane from
> > > > someone like
> > > > PLProd. BTW, I wasn't including the transmitter in that figure 
> as
> > > > most
> > > > people in the hobby have a TX they fly multiple planes with 
> (even
> > > > the sport
> > > > guys). You can get a name brand JR or Futaba radio with lots 
> extras
> > > > like
> > > > multi-model support, dual rates, exponential, programmable 
> mixes,
> > > > etc. for
> > > > $250.
> > > >
> > > > As to the $1500 to $2000 figure consider the following: Top 
> notch
> > > > JR
> > > > digitals on all flight surfaces for around $400 to $500, Webra 
> 1.45
> > > > or OS
> > > > 1.40RX - $395.00 to $450, Hitec receiver for $60, competitive
> > > > cutting edge
> > > > kit or ARC for $425 to $700 (in my case I'm building an Aries 
> from
> > > > AeroSlave, but you can also go with others or even get an ARC 
> Focus
> > > > for
> > > > $595). Add another $300 or so for building supplies, landing 
> gear,
> > > > spinner,
> > > > linkages, etc.
> > > >
> > > > That comes to right around $2000 on the high end and $1500 on 
> the
> > > > low end,
> > > > and the result in either case would be a very competitive 
> plane.
> > > >
> > > > The point of my message was that I can be on a competitive 
> playing
> > > > field in
> > > > Pattern in this dollar range, but in IMAC the price tag is 
> more like
> > > > $7000
> > > > and continually growing as pilots go from 33%, to 40%, to 50%
> > > > planes. It
> > > > would be very discouraging to me to have to compete against 
> someone
> > > > that
> > > > drops this much money on am IMAC plane, but if someone drops 
> $3000
> > > > or $4000
> > > > on a pattern plane I know it's probably just because they 
> didn't
> > > > want to
> > > > build :-)
> > > >
> > > > Keith Black
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "GeorgeF." <av8tor at flash.net>
> > > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 6:06 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Weight Limit
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >  In IMAC they're continually building them bigger and 
> bigger,
> > > > and one
> > > > has
> > > > > > to follow suite to be competitive.
> > > > >
> > > > > This "bigger and bigger" as resulted in many flying fields 
> being
> > > > > lost.  Both because of "big" planes being flown wrecklessly 
> and
> > > > because of
> > > > > noise.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I know that changes often have unintended consequences. 
> The
> > > > question is
> > > > > >will lifting the weight limitation cause an explosion in 
> price or
> > > > simply
> > > > > >provide more economical and technically appealing options 
> as
> > > > others have
> > > > > >suggested.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For an answer to this lets take a look at what happened with 
> the
> > > > engine
> > > > > size rule was lifted.  What happened to cost?  What happened 
> to
> > > > average
> > > > > aircraft size?  Both went up.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW you mentioned being competitive with a $1500 plane.  If 
> true
> > > > why are
> > > > > the "top boys" flying planes were the radio/receiver/servos 
> along
> > > > cost
> > > > $1500?
> > > > >
> > > > > George
> > > > >
> > > > >
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