Two/Four Stokes

[ronlock]

I recently shared a day at a sport field with Joe and a number of
other pattern guys - There were seven pattern pilots, seven pattern
birds, and not a 4 stroke in sight !

Ron Lockhart
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Lachowski" <jlachow at hotmail.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: Weight Limit/cost


> Come on Terry, when are you gonna come over to the dark side and fly a two
> stroke?<vbg>

> >From: Terry Terrenoire <amad2terry at juno.com>
> >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> >Subject: Re: Weight Limit/cost
> >Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 06:08:55 -0500
> >
> >Just to confirm this:
> >I am currently building a Synergy
> >Kit cost $875
> >Engine $500, YS 1.40 L
> >Header $40
> >4 digital servos $360
> >Paint and Monokote $100?
> >Ball bearing controls $40
> >Pilot $10
> >Wheels $30
> >Add another misc $100 and you have a total of $2055
> >
> >And this is with top equipment. Have not purchased a pipe yet and the
> >throttle servo is a 132 from my inventory.
> >Eliminate the ballbearing hardware, and digital servos and you're back
> >under $2000.
> >
> >Terry T.
> >
> >On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:35:00 -0600 "Keith Black" <tkeithb at attbi.com>
> >writes:
> > > > BTW you mentioned being competitive with a $1500 plane.  If true
> > > why are
> > > > the "top boys" flying planes were the radio/receiver/servos along
> > > cost
> > > $1500?
> > >
> > > What I said was one could be competitive by spending $1500 to $2000
> > > and I
> > > feel that this is the case. That's not to say that the "big boys",
> > > or even
> > > the well financed guy at the local club, won't spend more. Obviously
> > > that
> > > dollar figure doesn't assume you get a ready built plane from
> > > someone like
> > > PLProd. BTW, I wasn't including the transmitter in that figure as
> > > most
> > > people in the hobby have a TX they fly multiple planes with (even
> > > the sport
> > > guys). You can get a name brand JR or Futaba radio with lots extras
> > > like
> > > multi-model support, dual rates, exponential, programmable mixes,
> > > etc. for
> > > $250.
> > >
> > > As to the $1500 to $2000 figure consider the following: Top notch
> > > JR
> > > digitals on all flight surfaces for around $400 to $500, Webra 1.45
> > > or OS
> > > 1.40RX - $395.00 to $450, Hitec receiver for $60, competitive
> > > cutting edge
> > > kit or ARC for $425 to $700 (in my case I'm building an Aries from
> > > AeroSlave, but you can also go with others or even get an ARC Focus
> > > for
> > > $595). Add another $300 or so for building supplies, landing gear,
> > > spinner,
> > > linkages, etc.
> > >
> > > That comes to right around $2000 on the high end and $1500 on the
> > > low end,
> > > and the result in either case would be a very competitive plane.
> > >
> > > The point of my message was that I can be on a competitive playing
> > > field in
> > > Pattern in this dollar range, but in IMAC the price tag is more like
> > > $7000
> > > and continually growing as pilots go from 33%, to 40%, to 50%
> > > planes. It
> > > would be very discouraging to me to have to compete against someone
> > > that
> > > drops this much money on am IMAC plane, but if someone drops $3000
> > > or $4000
> > > on a pattern plane I know it's probably just because they didn't
> > > want to
> > > build :-)
> > >
> > > Keith Black
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "GeorgeF." <av8tor at flash.net>
> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 6:06 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Weight Limit
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >  In IMAC they're continually building them bigger and bigger,
> > > and one
> > > has
> > > > > to follow suite to be competitive.
> > > >
> > > > This "bigger and bigger" as resulted in many flying fields being
> > > > lost.  Both because of "big" planes being flown wrecklessly and
> > > because of
> > > > noise.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >I know that changes often have unintended consequences. The
> > > question is
> > > > >will lifting the weight limitation cause an explosion in price or
> > > simply
> > > > >provide more economical and technically appealing options as
> > > others have
> > > > >suggested.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For an answer to this lets take a look at what happened with the
> > > engine
> > > > size rule was lifted.  What happened to cost?  What happened to
> > > average
> > > > aircraft size?  Both went up.
> > > >
> > > > BTW you mentioned being competitive with a $1500 plane.  If true
> > > why are
> > > > the "top boys" flying planes were the radio/receiver/servos along
> > > cost
> > > $1500?
> > > >
> > > > George
> > > >
> > > >
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