Weight Limit

[Del Rykert]

Larry..
     Boy oh BOY...  I hope members do a hard read of what you posted. You address many of the issues that do stifle growth of pattern. I also walked many miles in those moccasins of no help or guidance from anyone and no list to learn from either. Others apparently have little or no idea of the obstacles some of us have to deal with just to get a plane up and working reliably. When you have local experience and expertise it becomes a whole lot easier. Making it more difficult or change the type of technology isn't going to stimulate pattern growth.  I look back at the change to 2 meter designs and how many insisted that the ole 60 size would still be competitive and a viable way to fly. Granted I was eventually able to win a couple of contests but best I place at the Nats when it wasn't breezy was 7th.  When the wind was blowing I was scoring in the 20th plus place. The bouncy around was getting me nailed by the judges even though the book says that they aren't to do that. Look at how many left when it went to turnaround. 
    Very well thought out and worded post.
 
     Del K. Rykert
     AMA - 8928 
     NSRCA - 473
     Kb2joi - General 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Larry Diamond 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 7:50 AM
  Subject: Re: Weight Limit


  Keith,

  There are many differing opinions on the topic...Here is mine...

  >>recruiting new members, growing pattern

  If you look at the survey on RC Universe, I believe it confirm what some already knew. Participation is lacking because of local interest as the # 1 hitter...So, ask why is pattern not popular...One conclusion could be made that, to be competitive, you need a good plane with good equipment. This cost much more than an average sport flyer wishes to put out.

  There are some that say IMAC don't seem to have this problem. I'm not an IMAC'r, but I believe they are doing a great job in marketing there sport to the average sport flyer.

  Flying fields may get to be an issue with larger planes. Some fields may start to limit size that we fly contest at. If this happens it would be a direct hit on local interest. I am about 150 miles to the closest contest over the last couple years. Hopefully this next year can be different. This has been part of the reason I have not been attending contest. Family Time Vs Contest Time. The closest Pattern fliers to my area is 2 or 3 hours away. By nature, I'm a very competitive person. Golf was very frustrating to me and I couldn't get my scores below 90. I sold everything and vowed to never to play golf again....I forgot to mention that my score is for 9 holes <VBG>...Ever try to teach yourself something you don't know, and then try to set up a plane to fly well which you don't have that level of experience...It's taken two years to learn what I have. Mostly from this discussion group.

  >>advancing designs and technology

  The material that we see in pattern today are very light weight material and perhaps stronger. Engines are bigger and lighter with more HP. Titanium Push Rods, CF push rods, CF/ Kevlar Kits Vs Fiberglass. How many of those technologies would have made it in pattern if Size and Weight was not a limiting factor.

  I work in the Electronics Industry and manage very cutting edge products that push the limits of manufacturing. This leads to new ways of manufacturing. I managed a program a couple of years ago where we put a .018 inch cube electronic device on a .008 inch PCB board at over 100K assemblies per month. This would not have been necessary if the size of the product was increased. Comparing size and performance of electronics could be compared to advancing technology in Pattern Plane design. We would not be where we are today if cost and space was not a concern for electronic consumers. Everyone would have a PC the size of a closet and working on a 286 Turbo w/ EGA. Very high power for the consumer in the mid-late 80's.

  So, if we have gone as far as we can in advancing technologies with Pattern Design and Performance. I would agree to change the limit, -but not remove it-. I just don't think we are at that point.

  Again, Twisted perception from a twisted mind.

  Larry

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Keith Black 
    To: discussion at nsrca.org 
    Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 12:14 AM
    Subject: Re: Weight Limit


    Larry,

    Honestly I haven't decided which side of this issue I'm on. Could you explain why you think increasing the weight limit would negatively effect the goal of recruiting new members, growing pattern and advancing designs and technology? I don't see the correlation.

    Thanks,
    Keith
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