WAS - KFactor Now "Members"

[Rick Sweeney]

Then you have no perception at all in the amount of work it takes to do
Websites for other people, free, or otherwise. 


-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of GeorgeF.
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 10:55 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: RE: WAS - KFactor Now "Members"

I think you missed my point.   I do NOT do websites for other people, I
do 
them for my own online businesses.  My own online businesses have
nothing 
to do with website creation or building.  So I don't "under charge" for
my 
services because I don't do websites for others.

You're right, anyone can put up a website with a picture of their 
dog.   And with very little work you can put up a website with
e-commerce 
and database apps.  Heck, the last two times I tired to use the NSRCA's 
e-commerce system the order number when through.  e-commerce system
using 
PayPal.com is very easy to do.

George


At 10:18 AM 11/3/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Then you are under charging for your services. Difficulty is not the
>measure of how you should charge or the time it takes you to do the
>work.  If it was that easy, everyone would be doing it and you would be
>out of business. It's a matter of the market, and who is willing to
take
>the time to learn the skills needed to create a good web app.  The
>prices I quoted are the national average, you are obviously giving your
>work away as you have the perception in your own mind that you should
>not charge much because it is easy for you to do.
>
>Anyone can throw a picture of their dog on a web page.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
>On Behalf Of GeorgeF.
>Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 3:21 PM
>To: discussion at nsrca.org
>Subject: RE: WAS - KFactor Now "Members"
>
>At 11:25 AM 11/2/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >I can add to what you are saying by mentioning the NSRCA Web Team
> >members as well. I know web team members who have put countless hours
> >into the site (I will include myself here), bringing the NSRCA
> >membership a web site virtually free. A rough estimate of the cost to
> >have hired this work out over the last 3 years including on-going
> >maintenance? $45.00 to $90.00 per hour Web design, $85.00 to $125.00
>per
> >hour database application development like your e-commerce page,
>on-line
> >contest page, membership database..etc. Your judging section alone is
a
> >web site within a web site.
>
>
>If you were to pay $45-90/hr and 85-125 for database apps then you are
>simply getting screwed.
>
>A lot of that can be done for next to nothing, not requiring much time
>either.  Not be belittle those who have put work into the NSRCA site
but
>
>really doesn't take $125/hr database app development.
>
>For the last 4 years I've made 100% of my income from the internet.  6
>years I ago I had no clue as to what a web page was let along know how
>to
>create HTML and database apps.  Now I maintain 6 websites 1 of which is
>VERY heavy on database apps and e-commerce and its not that hard.
>
>The most diffucult part is coming with CONTENT, not putting it into
>webform.  Just like the publishing of K-Factor, getting quality content
>is
>the hardest part of the entire operation.
>
>George

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