Involving the pattern community as a whole.

[Ann & Dave Burton]

Troy,
I think your dead on.
I would like to see the two organizations merged into one, Neither is
large enough or strong enough to have much clout. Together, there would
be a much better organization in place to promote our common interest.

Troy Newman wrote:

> Great idea.....I would suspect that many CD's are heavy into it and
> are already NSRCA members.... This might not catch em all but surely
> more than what we are catching now.... I'm not so sure about the $5
> thing but we do have expenses I understand that.....Perhaps the
> Internet and its cheap access could help out with some that don't like
> the $5 thing. Now remember that we might have to look at some
> statistics on the members vs non-members votes during a rules survey.
> But this might lead us down a much better decision path than before.
> Especially becasue most of the members are happy with the status quo.
> Myself included....but prospective members I think there are Three
> kinds.... #1 Burned, mad, upset or dscouraged....These are the
> important former members that we need to mend the fences with. These
> are the guys that use the Janet Jackson line "What have you done for
> me Lately?" #2 The guys that have no clue we exist. These are the #1
> Target. The guys that are in the first type have an impression of
> us...right or wrong...But these guys don't even know we are
> there....We can make huge first impressions. #3 The cheap guy that
> won't spend his $30.....They will always be there and we will have a
> really tough nut to crack here. All we can do is keep supporting them
> and hope a few will join the fold. Then I would say lets go a step
> further. The IMAC olive branch needs an advocate. This is a tough one.
> I have flown in IMAC events. I have CD'd a couple. In some cases I was
> 100% welcome until I pulled out a pattern model. Or until I went to an
> event and was not understanding the way things were run....Prime
> example the rule book says a 150 deg box and during a pilots meeting
> its assumed that we are all flying a 180 deg box...meaning "NO
> BOX"....I just couldn't believe it absolutely shocking. Well you want
> to know what...the best flyer still won! And guess what I was dead
> last out of 5 guys. You know a few months back IMAC was struggling
> with no newsletter. Maybe that would have been a good chance to
> welcome them into the KFactor? I still gotta beleive that both groups
> have the same interests and problems. The concerns and growing pains
> of the IMAC people are the same things that trouble our group. I gotta
> think we can help each other...and build for the future.  Eric has
> said it many times...Aerobatics is Aerobatics. He has flown and
> participated in the IMAC NATS, written articles and so on.....Maybe we
> need a liason between the two groups or at least some working
> relationships. Today I don't think they exist. I know they have fired
> across our bow many times....And we have also. We have and I
> personally have made some statements that were not in the best
> interest of promoting a relationship between the groups. But like all
> other siblings eventually sometime in your life you wake up and figure
> out that the little brother does have something to offer.... I think a
> good start on the building blocks of a relationship could be give them
> our membership lists and get a handle on theirs...Then they could
> advertise with us and we could advertise and recruit from them
> also. Whatca think boys?  Troy
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: Henderson,Eric
>      Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:50 AM
>      To: 'discussion at nsrca.org'
>      Subject: Involving the pattern community as a whole.
>       Here is an approach that I would have like to implemented
>      on my watch!What we need is a register of ALL AMA members
>      who are interested in pattern. This would be easy to
>      do/build with a simple expansion of the existing NSRCA
>      membership database.  Non-NSRCA pattern members could then
>      be include in the distribution of such items as NSRCA
>      surveys, major actions/issue etc.There would probably have
>      to be a small cover charge for this registration, say $5,
>      that would cover our printing and mailing. The Regular NSRCA
>      member would get the K-Factor and the registered NSRCA
>      member would get major announcements and the big rules
>      surveys etc.I imagine that we could do is get the CD's to
>      register pattern pilots with the NSRCA and then we could
>      include the people that are interested. Some kind of pitch
>      like, "How would you like to know what is going on with
>      sport and have a vote/say in the direction?" "Here, just
>      fill in this form and I'll send it to the NSRCA for
>      you...."As they said to Steve Austin, "We have the
>      technology, we can rebuild you. Time for a new approach to
>      the NSRCA's promotional activities and  aspects?Regards,
>      retiring Eric.
>      -----Original Message-----
>      From: Troy Newman [mailto:troy_newman at msn.com]
>      Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:44 AM
>      To: discussion
>      Subject: Re: Annex Fresh Idea
>
>      Once again another speaks out that not all pattern flyers
>      are NSRCA members! Sounds like a recurring theme?   We all
>      know the reasons.... they have been hashed many times....I
>      think part of our problem is we believe that we(NSRCA) are
>      the sole keeper of the flame....and to be honest....We are
>      not. We were invited to the game. We did start it, and we
>      won't be finishing it either. Sure we can take our marbles
>      and go home but that doesn't serve anyone's interest. We did
>      that in 94 with the N-PAC event.  I'm curious why we as the
>      NSRCA are so close minded to non-NSRCA members......? Does
>      our $30 a year give us the right make rules and exclude
>      others from having input on the subject.....This is all done
>      under the holy veil of membership.....This exclusion of
>      non-members is what is driving us down...not because we
>      don't have sexy website...or we don't have a perfect KF, or
>      we don't have press recognition in the magazines, or because
>      we are not quick enough in changing our sequences in order
>      to compete with the other Aerobatics kid in town.  I think
>      we are so concerned about new members...me included that we
>      don't include people that are not members...The answer is
>      "Well Join up and get the info." I've been guilty of this
>      also...Maybe we need to open our doors and open our
>      minds....If we invite the neighborhood in with the idea of a
>      BBQ....and expect them to bring all the food how many will
>      show? We need to give them a reason to be here and not a
>      reason to stay away!  Thanks for sticking with us Chuck!!!!
>      We are glad to have you and your insight.
>
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