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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>That explains why I did not recognize it!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>V/R Sal<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sal Piu<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Email: <a href="mailto:spiurc@comcast.net"><span style='color:#0563C1'>spiurc@comcast.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Every mountain top is within reach if you just keep climbing!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 9, 2023 9:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> Sal Piu <spiurc@comcast.net><br><b>Cc:</b> Mark Atwood <atwoodm3141@gmail.com>; F3A 2 meter pattern discussion <f3a-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [F3A-Discussion] Fwd: [ciam-f3a] Non Subcommitee proposals<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>This list was established about 10+ years ago... it was renamed late last year. The members that were part of the old list are also part of this new list - some 25+ participants.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 6:40 PM Sal Piu <<a href="mailto:spiurc@comcast.net">spiurc@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Mark,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> Personally, the proposed maneuvers and the proposed telemetry rules seem reasonable to me. Note that I’m not certain if the majority of USA FAI pilots have signed up for this F3A discussion email list at this point in time, as I believe this list is a relatively new service established in 2023. Consider alternative means to acquire a larger audience.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Sal Piu</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>V/R Sal<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sal Piu<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Email: <a href="mailto:spiurc@comcast.net" target="_blank">spiurc@comcast.net</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Every mountain top is within reach if you just keep climbing!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> F3A-discussion <<a href="mailto:f3a-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">f3a-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Atwood via F3A-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 9, 2023 10:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> FAI Discussion <<a href="mailto:f3a-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">f3a-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [F3A-Discussion] Fwd: [ciam-f3a] Non Subcommitee proposals<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hey All,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I’d appreciate some feedback on the proposed additional unknown maneuvers suggested below. My personal inclination is against them, primarily due to their poor judge-ability. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Timing is also questionable as these would be very long turnaround maneuvers on top of required long center maneuvers.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>-Mark<br><br><br>Begin forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b>From:</b> Peter Uhlig <<a href="mailto:ciam-f3a@fai.org" target="_blank">ciam-f3a@fai.org</a>><br><b>Date:</b> February 9, 2023 at 2:48:06 AM EST<br><b>To:</b> SC mailing list <<a href="mailto:ciam-f3a@fai.org" target="_blank">ciam-f3a@fai.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> <b>[ciam-f3a] Non Subcommitee proposals</b><br><b>Reply-To:</b> Peter Uhlig <<a href="mailto:peteruhligf3a@aol.com" target="_blank">peteruhligf3a@aol.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Dear Subcommittee Members,<br>the 2023 CIAM Plenary and the Technical Meetings will be held with ZOOM. Date will be March 4, 2023 13:00 CET, but must be confirmed by CIAM.<br>Before the Technical Meeting we need to discuss and vote about three proposals from France. Please find them attached as well has a statistical report on last year's World Cup Events.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><b><u><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>f3a_5g.8.2_fra_23:</span></u></b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br><br>France proposes new unknown turnaround manoeuvres. See some examples:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>